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What old-guard feminists get wrong about Catholics
Dallas News ^ | April 27, 2008 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 04/28/2008 6:33:10 AM PDT by NYer

In the run-up to Pope Benedict XVI's visit to the United States, there was a tremendous display of unseriousness at the National Press Club, followed by a sacrilege at a nearby Washington, D.C., church.

A misguided group called the Women's Ordination Conference held a protest – a press conference and an all-woman "Mass" at a local Methodist church. The group, as the name suggests, wants to see "the ordination of women as priests, deacons and bishops." Sadly, the group doesn't understand women or the Catholic Church.

In a prepared statement, WOC executive director Aisha Taylor declared:

"The failure to ordain women is a blatant manifestation of sexism in the church that has wider repercussions in the world.

"In the three years of his papacy, Pope Benedict XVI has made a few encouraging statements about women, but he has done nothing that suggests willingness to open the discussion on women's ordination. That's why for his 81st birthday, we are offering the pope a present: the gift of women, their leadership, talents, experiences and unique perspectives."

The group trailed the popemobile to papal events with a billboard truck that asked: "Pope Benedict, How long must women wait for equality? Ordain Catholic Women."

As they are stuck on their version of "equality," the fundamental problem with the group and its message is that whatever Benedict says or does will not be enough for them. They are not open to listening, but to dictating an unworkable agenda. If they were open to it, they would hear and see the Roman Catholic Church's embrace and celebration of women. Women will not be priests, but they will always be an essential part of the Church.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholics; feminists; papalvisit; womenpriests; wymynpryysts
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To: pgkdan

Yep...I don’t have the devotion to the Rosary that I should, but I carry one in case of emergency.


201 posted on 04/28/2008 2:47:57 PM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: maryz
“Crisis Magazine” , before it ceased publishing and went on-line exclusively, had a yearly exhaustive analysis of vocations and "State of Being" for each diocese. The more orthodox a diocese the better the diocese did with number of vocations. The data is now provided on the Inside Catholic website.
The logic provided by the one who alleges her poll validates the contention for woman priests is terminally flawed. These polls just mention Catholics favor this or that. However, looking behind the statistics, one must differentiate between the Catholics who regularly attend Mass and those who attend occasionally. You would notice a world of difference in the opinions of these two groups. Yet, the dissemination of this propaganda rarely demonstrates the intellectually honesty of making such a distinction
202 posted on 04/28/2008 3:12:00 PM PDT by bronx2
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To: bronx2
Thanks for the info! I didn't know about the Inside Catholic site, but it looks extremely useful.

Of course, re polls, we all know how easy it is for the pollster to manipulate them, and how often none of the choice of answers provided seems to fit. And mostly a "yeah, I guess so, but I don't know (or care) much" has the same weight as "Yes, I would fight to the death for it!"

203 posted on 04/28/2008 3:55:54 PM PDT by maryz
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To: TraditionalistMommy
You are, quite simply, ignorant and I seriously doubt that you are a Catholic.

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.

204 posted on 04/28/2008 6:07:23 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: TraditionalistMommy
A la fundamentalist Islam?

Per First Corinthians, Chapter 11.

205 posted on 04/28/2008 6:20:18 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: TraditionalistMommy
The majority of Catholics in this country favor ordaining women priests.

You rely on the same Zogby methodolgy that has been repeatedly shown to be faulty in the past for your argument and reject the Scriptural foundation in the writing of the Pope. You are a fool and certainly no Catholic.

206 posted on 04/28/2008 6:24:49 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham; TraditionalistMommy; Pyro7480

TraditionalistMommy,

You say the majority of Catholics approve of women ordination and for that reason the Church should allow it (never mind that if the poll results are true, that’s just American Catholics (there are many more Catholics in the world than that)). The Majority of American “Catholics” also approve of Abortion, Homosexuality, and Contraception, should the Church endorse that too? The Majority of American “Catholics” also don’t believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, should the Church change her teaching?

Your argument is faulty and essentially argues for Teachings by Vote. Which means the Teachings change with the Times, as a result, the Church ceases to be timeless.


207 posted on 04/28/2008 6:34:01 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

Hi, As a child, I thought it was terribly unfair that the boys got to go beyond the altar rail and us girls were denied that.
When I gave birth to my first child, I cried for my husband, as he would never know or experience the joy and beauty I had in sharing in creation with Our Lord.

We are mothers. They are fathers!

We all have our places and all are equal, only different.

Please don’t try and make the sexes the same. We aren’t


208 posted on 04/28/2008 6:37:06 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Lib NO MORE!)
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To: notaliberal

Dogma cannot change, e.g. the Trinity.

Doctrine can change, e.g. the Doctrine of the Immaculate Conception.

Teachings are meant to pass along the dogma and doctrine, they may change to best present to the current generation.

Laws exist to protect the dogma and doctrine.


209 posted on 04/28/2008 6:44:41 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I know the diff between right and wrong. Right: What I Am. Wrong: What You Are)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

This is the first thread she’s ever posted on, she’s probably a DU sleeper.


210 posted on 04/28/2008 7:29:08 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: ichabod1

You are right, I was wrong! Thanks for setting me straight!


211 posted on 04/28/2008 8:49:33 PM PDT by notaliberal (Christ Our Hope!)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

You’re confusing roles when you talk about women being “involved” in mass. Women have always been “involved” in the Church. Of 15 ancient saints around the altar at the National basilica, 12 are women. Women have directed popes! What’s at fault with most of the most vocal pursuers of female ordination (recognizing that they are not typical) is the association of the priesthood with power.

The priest offers his life as a sacrifice for his flock. H stands in the place of Christ at the altar. This is the essence of masculinity, since Man cannot bear life: to sacrifice oneself to protect life.

It reaches to the deepest core of the male psyche — of what it means to be a man — that a woman, capable of creating life, should not be sacrificed for a man. Doing so would distort the divine sacrifice of Christ into human sacrifice.

Even the symbolism of celibacy is intrinsically destroyed. Whereas the man gives up descendents; among women it would bear the hallmarks of sacrificing virgins, commonly associated with sex cults, etc.


212 posted on 04/29/2008 4:28:55 AM PDT by dangus
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To: A.A. Cunningham

It does us no good to attack her personally.


213 posted on 04/29/2008 5:42:52 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Campion

Interesting. The two agendas really are birds of a feather if you look below the surface. The problem is, we live in a society that only cares about appearances. It APPEARS that there’s a shortage of priests, THEREFORE, we need to improve the appearance by ordaining in greater numbers with womenpriests.

What’s most amazing is that these groups think that they can overturn an infallibly decided matter by just screaming about it louder and louder.


214 posted on 04/29/2008 10:44:14 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
You are very right!

No personal attacks ARE the Christian way.

215 posted on 04/29/2008 2:14:21 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Lib NO MORE!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
You are very right!

No personal attacks ARE the Christian way.

216 posted on 04/29/2008 2:14:31 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Lib NO MORE!)
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To: Rutles4Ever
What’s most amazing is that these groups think that they can overturn an infallibly decided matter by just screaming about it louder and louder.

Why not? It works with the gov't! ;-)

217 posted on 04/29/2008 2:36:59 PM PDT by maryz
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To: TraditionalistMommy

Churches with female clergy become Women’s churches. The men mostly opt out because religion becomes something the wife takes care of. That is not the reasoning of the Church but is a practical reason to avoid female clergy.Women are in charge of most of the other “ministries” in many Catholic Churches and men participate very little. Those ministries have become “women’s work.”


218 posted on 04/29/2008 5:11:19 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: TraditionalistMommy
I respect your opinion on the matter but with Campion, Pyro, and others will continue to disagree. We are digging in our collective heels. It is our generation, raised on the nothingness spawned “in the spirit” of Vatican II that, God willing, will help right the Church again.

I truly hope that you will focus your efforts on other true traditionalist courses of action and not spend another moment considering womens ordination. Also please pray for me that I am able to live as piously as I can.

219 posted on 04/30/2008 11:52:17 PM PDT by bradthebuilder (War is peace; Ignorance is strength; Freedom is slavery)
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