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Excellent response in #38...

In observing transubstatiaion it appears to me that it is a mocking of the Holy Spirit.. For we are talking about Jesus becoming flesh again, to be consumed by the flesh, in a fleshly way, for fleshly means.. Like the Holy Spirit(who supposedly makes this happen) comes running like a force of nature under the control of a hierophant.. Basically an elaborate play with a magical ending..

No disrespect to the RCC/EO because there are a number of rights of passage that the reformed have too that crawls my nape.. I prefer Jesus metaphor in John ch 10 that refers to Sheep Pens to explain all this to me.. There must be Sheep Pens, for the sheep pens are within us.. The "flock" metaphorically in the pasture outside(with the shepherd) the sheep pens is where any wise sheep would be but the sheep pens must have their uses.. ELSE Jesus would have condemned them, He didn't..

Transubstantiation seems to be the hinge that several other rites dangle from too.. like heirophantical control of "the layitity".. and apostle job security.. to name a couple of them..

For we are talking about Jesus becoming flesh again, to be consumed by the flesh, in a fleshly way, for fleshly means..

Not if you are talking about transubstantiation as taught by the Roman Catholic Church.

Thank you so very much for sharing your insights and thank you for your encouragements!

Like you, I do not "cotton" to sheep pens. I reckon once we've been out in the green pastures and still waters of Psalms 23, we don't long for the pens anymore. LOLOL!

To God be the glory!

In observing transubstatiaion it appears to me that it is a mocking of the Holy Spirit.

Amen. I just said that very same thing. Pretty obvious, isn't it?

In observing transubstatiaion it appears to me that it is a mocking of the Holy Spirit.. For we are talking about Jesus becoming flesh again, to be consumed by the flesh, in a fleshly way, for fleshly means.

Please consider the following:

1Cr 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
1Cr 11:23ff For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

Of course, the John 6 passage exists, as well. But it is curious that St. Paul would use the above words if he understood the Eucharist to be merely a symbol. It seems that the mocking of the Holy Spirit would be those who disregarded the scriptures on the subject, not those who heed them.

In observing transubstatiaion it appears to me that it is a mocking of the Holy Spirit.. For we are talking about Jesus becoming flesh again, to be consumed by the flesh, in a fleshly way, for fleshly means.. Like the Holy Spirit(who supposedly makes this happen) comes running like a force of nature under the control of a hierophant.. Basically an elaborate play with a magical ending..

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Look at Scripture!

You can't see air yet you breathe it in. Our Lord was very clear when He instituted the priesthood at the Last Supper, with these words, as recorded by the Apostle, Matthew and the Evangelist, Luke.

Matthew 26:26 - While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, "Take and eat; this is my body."

Luke 22:19 - Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me."

Jesus states that the bread is His body. Since He is God, then that bread has become God. Jesus further states do this. For 2,000 years, Catholics and Orthodox have followed that commandment. After saying the words of Consecration, the priest elevates the host which has now become the Body of Christ. My Lord and my God!

But you, my friends, are not the first nor will you be the last to doubt the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist. The first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Catholic Church took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a divine response to a Basilian monk's doubt about Jesus' Real Presence in the Eucharist. The host turned into flesh and the wine coagulated. It wasn't until the 1970's that science had the means to fully examine and document these items. Here are the results:

The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.
These analyses sustained the following conclusions:

The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.
The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.
The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.
In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.
The Flesh is a "HEART" complete in its essential structure.
The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).
In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.
In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.
The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.

	Fig. 1 - Eosine x 200. Overall histological aspect of a Flesh sample with fibers collected in bundles with longitudinal orientation as it occurs in the outer surface layers of the heart.
	Fig. 2 - Miracle Heart in Lanciano. Mallory x 250. An artery and, very close, a branch of the vagal nerve.
	Fig. 3 - Miracle Heart in Lanciano. Mallory x 400. Evidence of the "Rough" aspect of the endocardium; the syncytoid structure of the myocardial tissue
	Fig. 4 - Elution-absorption test x 80. Above: Hemagglutination test on blood sample in Lanciano: on the left, anti A serum used; on the right, anti-B serum. Below: hemoagglutination test on a Flesh sample in Lanciano: left, with anti-A serum, right,with anti-B serum. It appears thus that the Flesh and the Blood in Lanciano belong to AB blood group.
	Fig. 5 - Electro-phoretic pattern of Blood proteins (Cromoscan photometer). The profile of serum fractions is normal and superimposable to that of a fresh serum sample.

In conclusion, it may be said that Science, when called upon to testify, has given a certain and thorough response as regards the authenticity of the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano.
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