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To: pgyanke; Alamo-Girl

Since I’m on a lunch break, I would like to answer this one:

Jesus Christ gave His apostles the authority to bind and loose on earth according to God’s mind (literally “having been bound [or loosed]”) as it is in heaven. In other words, the apostles were authorized to speak authoritatively for God and in accordance with the mind of Christ. The power to bind and loose given to the Biblical apostles is also expressed in their being called the foundation of the church: “So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone” (Ephesians 2:19, 20).2Christ and His apostles alone have the authority to give permanently binding revelation to the church. The record of their binding is contained in the New Testament.

Further evidence for such binding is found in Hebrews: “God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world” (Hebrews 1:1, 2). God has spoken authoritatively through Christ, the corner stone of the church. Hebrews also mentions the apostles: “how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard, God also testifying with them, both by signs and wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His own will” (Hebrews 2:3, 4). God has preserved the teachings of Christ the corner stone and the apostles and prophets (the writers of the New Testament), and this serves as the once-for-all laid foundation of the church. The church becomes the “pillar and support of the truth” (1Timothy 3:15b), but the church does not continue to be the ongoing giver of new, binding revelation. That function ceases.

This is an extract from this page: http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue102.htm which also contains details on:

False Binding – The Roman Catholic Church
False Binding – The New Apostolic Reformation
False Binding – Rick Warren’s Oaths
False Binding –Judaizers
False Loosing – The Emergent Church
False Loosing – Theological Liberalism
False Loosing – Hyper-Dispensationalism
The Importance of Hermeneutics

A great article that I highly encourage all who claim Christ to read and humbly consider.


1,519 posted on 05/01/2008 10:39:13 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Thank you for sharing your insights!
1,520 posted on 05/01/2008 10:45:20 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Good post on binding an loosing.. RCC and other orthodoxy usually get a free pass on all this binding ans loosing stuff.. My "vision" of it is highly individual.. For we all bind and loose concepts in our spiritual lives.. Denominational grouping(s) of "them" are still individual in essense..

Personal responsibility is intact.. whether you bind yourself to someone elses binding or loose yourself from anothers loosing.. it is still individual in action..

A good post I would say.. a good subject to consider.. and will do so(further research) as you suggest..

Oththodoxy should be engaged publicly.. even here..

1,522 posted on 05/01/2008 10:53:19 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Let's see: I can believe more than 19 centuries of scholarship and teaching by the Catholic Church (founded by Christ), or I can go with Pastor Bob.

Hmmm, what to do, what to do . . .

1,528 posted on 05/01/2008 11:07:51 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
God has preserved the teachings of Christ the corner stone and the apostles and prophets (the writers of the New Testament), and this serves as the once-for-all laid foundation of the church. The church becomes the “pillar and support of the truth” (1Timothy 3:15b), but the church does not continue to be the ongoing giver of new, binding revelation. That function ceases.

Thank so much for clarifying what so many have danced around until now.

You see the revelation of Christ and His Church as having stopped 2,000 years ago. Going back to my analogy of the Church as the Bride with the Bible as a love letter from the Bridegroom... you think we have only the letters to go by anymore. There is no continuing relationship and revelation from the Bridegroom to His Bride.

To me, that suggests that we have been orphaned and all we have left of our progenitors is their memoirs. But Christ said He would not leave us orphaned. We have the Holy Spirit... does the Spirit not provide the revelation of God or is His Work subordinated to what was done 2,000 years ago?

1,534 posted on 05/01/2008 11:35:57 AM PDT by pgyanke ("Huntered"--The act of being ignored by media and party to prevent name recognition)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Nice read, thanks.
I lost on the overall conversation but point well made that All Authority was given to Jesus, who also gave authority to speak His word only. Even if they (Paul) spoke any other gospel they would be in error.

On the Bread I'm lost on the OP’s point, Is he saying Jesus body was made of bread or the bread is made up of Jesus flesh.

Side note: I don't know why people have to interject the words (Catholic)into Jesus Church. It is His Church alone and needs no other description. It's not Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Protestant, etc... It's our Lord Jesus’ church.

1,577 posted on 05/01/2008 2:08:25 PM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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