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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix; OLD REGGIE; 1000 silverlings; bonfire; Lord_Calvinus; Alex Murphy; hosepipe; ...
The Vulgate excludes that phrase. The Vulgate (or Latin) contained other errors. For instance, from the Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32) – the specially published Name of God, "The Rock" was lost in translation

Amen. Great post, and further shows why the OT in the KJV is based on the correct Jewish text and not on the Greek.

THE ENCOUNTER OF JERUSALEM WITH ATHENS
by Rev. Greg Bahnsen

~~~"What indeed has Athens to do with Jerusalem?  What concord is there between the Academy and the Church?... Our instructions come from "the porch of Solomon"... Away with all attempts to produce a mottled Christianity of Stoic, Platonic, and dialectic composition!  We want no curious disputation after possessing Christ Jesus...!~~~

So said Tertullian in his "Prescription against Heretics (VII)."  Tertullian's question, what does Athens have to do with Jerusalem?, dramatically expresses one of the perennial issues in Christian thought—a problem which cannot be escaped by any Biblical interpreter, theologian, or apologist.  We all operate on the basis of some answer to that question, whether we give it explicit and thoughtful attention or not.  It is not a matter of whether we will answer the question, but only of how well we will do so.

What does Tertullian's question ask?  It inquires into the proper relation between Athens, the prime example of secular learning, and Jerusalem, the symbol of Christian commitment and thought.  How does the proclamation of the Church relate to the teaching of the philosophical Academy?  In one way or another, this question has constantly been before the mind of the church.  How should faith and philosophy interact?  Which has controlling authority over the other?  How should the believer respond to alleged conflicts between revealed truth and extrabiblical instruction (in history, science, or what have you)?  What is the proper relation between reason and revelation, between secular opinion and faith, between what is taught outside the church and what is preached inside?

This issue is particularly acute for the Christian apologist.  When a believer offers a reasoned defense of the Christian hope that is within him (in obedience to 1 Peter 3:15), it is more often than not set forth in the face of some conflicting perspective.  As we evangelize unbelievers in our culture, they rarely hold to the authority of the Bible and submit to it from the outset.  The very reason most of our friends and neighbors need an evangelistic witness is that they hold a different outlook on life, a different philosophy, a different authority for their thinking.  How, then, does the apologist respond to the conflicting viewpoints and sources of truth given adherence by those to whom he witnesses?  What should he think "Athens" has to do with "Jerusalem" just here?...

1,080 posted on 04/29/2008 12:49:16 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights and that fascinating excerpt about Tertullian's position on Athens v. Jerusalem!

Truly, faith and reason are complimentary - but reason cannot substitute for faith.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. - I Corinthians 1:18-25

Also, you might find this comparison on Deuteronomy 32:4 quite interesting!

To God be the glory!

1,097 posted on 04/29/2008 1:53:18 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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