Posted on 04/27/2008 3:36:18 AM PDT by markomalley
As between at least potential friends:
I wouldn't count on the cat.
I would agree. There are many people today masquerading as Christians and have substituted holiness for other things. We should pray that God may open their eyes to the truth but as far as respecting them as Christian brothers while ignoring the errors; that is something we are not to do.
My cat loves me, but I sometimes get the impression he would rat me out in a hot second for just a handful of kibble.
And sometimes, when I wake up to find him staring at me, it’s as though the expression on his face says “Soon...”
Heck, I'd agree with that. We do best when we have no power. The whole Vatican City thing is, IMHO, a polite fiction. I can understand how it happened, the sense that the Pope needed an army and all, but I'm sure glad we don't think so any more.
Thanks.
That enlarges my understanding of the RC Rubber Dictionary.
While there is truth to this statement, I consider that as an excuse for our weakness. He has given us His Spirit and commanded us to be holy even as He is holy. If, and when, we fail it is our fault and our responsibility to seek forgiveness for not relying upon His Spirit. Christians can be led by the Spirit or by their own will. One is good; the other is bad.
“Not so. You’ve made a judgment about Catholicism without all the facts.”
No, I made an observation about communion in one Roman Catholic Church. But what are the facts that were missed? Isn’t the command to eat the bread and drink the wine and is not the Eucharist one of the seven sacraments?
I can find no fault in those statements.
I know.. I was just "needling".. snarkly... producing a comment about what "needles" me.. in the wholr post..
If Presbyters require some elected authority to preside over the "lords table" I think it is just as "funny" as I think the RCC custom is.. Never knew they were so "lame".. But then, Dawg, I think any elected presbytery is lame.. SO SHOOT ME... Myself and the writer of the books of Timothy would have gone round and round.. But then I am a heretic... what would you expect..
Christ is present in the host and wine, it is not necessary to partake of both.
Please think about the import of what you are saying for a minute: The priests were naive and trusting.
Is that such a terrible thing?
Even as an Episcopalian, I told children presented to me for preparation for confirmation that this HAD to be their decision, that if they did not want to be confirmed I would go to bat for them against their parents.
With my own child, I asked her to consider what I had given up to be Catholic and then I assured her that I could not and would not force her to be confirmed, and said, "All I ask is that you don't blow it off. It's important. Please take it seriously. I will support you in whatever you decide. I love you more than I love my life."
Only a very wise and shrewd cleric— far, FAR wiser than I — should, IMHO, challenge the sincerity of those who come to him for .. whatever. I would rather be ripped off by ten altar boys than turn away one sincere one because I was over-suspicious. Sometimes it's better to be thought a fool and to be taken advantage of.
You are not required to partake of both the wine and the eucharist to receive communion. One may, but partaking of one or the other is no less receiving than than getting both.
Absolutely.. Some(one) of my Buddist friends is/are the best christian I know.. On the other hand many legalistic christians are fair Buddists but don't know it.. Some people never learn a damn thing from the law.. WHich if followed strickly will show you you cannot follow it.. Many orthodox Jews are clueless as well..
Rote prayer is treating God like a moron.... or a Robot..
At least my experience of it.. I don't paint catholic only either.. In many protestant prayer meetings over the years the prayer could have been written on placards.. people praying to impress each other.. ALL of them praying like that, No, but most of them.. People can only pray from the heart.. If the heart is empty the prayer will be too..
I believe God will hear you whether Buddist, RCC or prosties maybe even Jesuits if you pray from the heart.. Telling God what you think he wants to hear fools no one.. Except some people fool themselves..
It would be best if you didn't "paint" anyone.
“Christ is present in the host and wine, it is not necessary to partake of both.”
But wasn’t the command to eat the bread and drink the wine? That seems like a command to do both. Where is there any license to just do one of them?
Is the bread his actual flesh and is the wine his actual blood?
See post #1195. I should have included you in that one. Sorry.
Thank you.
I'm painting you NOW...
THERE... Now don't you look silly..
Until its been consecrated, it is simply wine.. you cannot defile wine that has not been cosecrated.. its only wine.
Wow, can anyone remember the name of the famous historical heretic that said this type of thing?
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