Posted on 04/27/2008 3:36:18 AM PDT by markomalley
Yes, and what would be hard (John 6:60) about it if it were parable or symbolism?
hosepipe made it a point to broad-brush-stroke the label of "Penn and Teller" to include the Reformed:
Nor are Mormons or Scientologists immune to staging mysticism. Judaism has its staged mystics, too. New Age and Eastern religions are mystical per se and often make public displays.
In sum, dear markomalley, I suspect too much water has gone under the bridge around here to achieve "respectful dialogue" because that would require the participants to forgive unconditionally, no strings attached, reading the current post only for what it actually says.
Some have professed a need to take a 2x4 to us, while protesting the suggestion that there be a venue where others could share respectful dialogue.
Or those parties taking part could simply omit references of a pejorative or derogatory nature.
Whether the Eucharist is HOLY has not been determined..
It could be damnation just as easily..
Whether the Holy Spirit is a RCC/EO drone in the Hive is the question..
Who is in charge the HS or the priest?..
Your language is most disrespectful.
Not of Christ's church.
Christ's church is made up of all true believers who have been graced with Trinitarian faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, found in a variety of churches from among all races and nations and eras.
We are told to sit in judgment of error. Transubstantiation is error, according to God's holy word.
Of the Church I. The catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of Him that fills all in all.[1] II. The visible Church, which is also catholic or universal under the Gospel (not confined to one nation, as before under the law), consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion;[2] and of their children:[3] and is the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ,[4] the house and family of God,[5] out of which there is no ordinary possibility of salvation.[6] III. Unto this catholic visible Church Christ has given the ministry, oracles, and ordinances of God, for the gathering and perfecting of the saints, in this life, to the end of the world: and does, by His own presence and Spirit, according to His promise, make them effectual thereunto.[7] IV. This catholic Church has been sometimes more, sometimes less visible.[8] And particular Churches, which are members thereof, are more or less pure, according as the doctrine of the Gospel is taught and embraced, ordinances administered, and public worship performed more or less purely in them.[9] V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error;[10] and some have so degenerated, as to become no Churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan.[11] Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth to worship God according to His will.[12] VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ.[13] Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.[14]
"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." -- 1 Corinthians 2:12-16
I think that this is an achievable goal. My understanding of scripture is that not everyone is Christian today, even those who may claim they're Christian. But we have no idea who is and isn't especially in this type of forum. But eventually the vast majority of people WILL be Christian so it just makes sense to respect others in conversation. However, respecting others doesn't mean that you have to agree with incorrect doctrine or compromise belief.
Col 4:5 Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.
Col 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
This is very disrespectful.
(While I doubt it was meant that way...)
You could always assume that our FRiend Quix meant it in the most respectful fashion. Please note this use of the term synonymous with edifice:
1Cr 3:9ff For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building (oikodome...building...or edifice). According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and another man is building upon it. Let each man take care how he builds upon it. For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ....
1Cr 3:16-17 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If any one destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and that temple you are.
If you think about it, it's actually a very Eucharistic analogy:
All of these things were a "type" of Christ...and Christ instituted all of these things for His Church.
So to say the "RC Edifice" is an affirmation, whether intended or not, of the Church in God's plan in the economy of Salvation...and, actually, a very pertinent point in this discussion.
So, while initially taken aback by the comment myself, I have decided to accept it as a badge of honor.
Good grief. who wants to post to threads where obviously, a big chip on a shoulder is brought to the table? just a cursory reading of this thing shows that there are people who are not interested in a discussion whatsoever, but only in jumping out and yelling “gotcha”. Thanks , but no thanks, please nobody ever ping me to these things, thanks
Yes, I don’t think this “respectful dialogue” thing is working, at least not yet.
Snarky comments will be accepted (by me)..
BUT... alas(adjusting glasses)... they will be GRADED..
I give you a "D"...
That statement was intended to be not snarky. It was most straight-forward.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. – I John 2:27
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. – Colossians 3:3
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. – John 1:12-13
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. – Galatians 2:20
He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. - John 15:1-5
I know for myself as I studied the Scriptures concerning the Holy Spirit I realized that certain faiths appeared to disregard the God-ordained work of the Holy Spirit in place of men's actions and desires.
What saves us?
Do rites and rituals and good works save us?
Or does Christ's work on the cross alone save us, a fact which is then made known to us by the indwelling Holy Spirit who leads our Christian walk, according to the will and purpose and design of God who gives us the Holy Spirit in the first place?
"For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord." -- 1 Corinthians 4:4
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