Posted on 04/22/2008 2:00:13 PM PDT by annalex
“All those divisions sure don’t argue for their commitment to tough it out...”
When part of our group apostatizes, we separate from them. You let apostates continue on, and in some cases, cover it up.
For example, theological liberalism. Evangelical groups have split many times to disassociate themselves from liberalism. The RCC? They seem to let their liberals go on and on - untouched. Maybe there is an extremely rare excommunication, but theological liberalism is far more pervasive in the American Catholic church than it is in the Evangelical world.
If the Creator of the Universe pronouncing the words "This is My Body" aren't enough "Scriptural support" for you, nothing would be.
He requires them *now.* That's the point of "binding and loosing."
And every other reason under the sun...
St. Paul’s instructions are very clear: “Christians, get along.”
Now, that does not mean to “gloss over” serious theological differences. But we spend far too much time on the diffferences than the common ground.
“If the Creator of the Universe pronouncing the words “This is My Body” aren’t enough “Scriptural support” for you, nothing would be.”
Do you think Jesus is made of wood?
“He requires them *now.* That’s the point of “binding and loosing.””
Do you believe the RCC has the authority to “rescind” freedoms granted to tbe believer in the Bible?
Yup.
If He repeated it in Scripture no less than five times, and that's how the Church told me the words were to be interpreted: you bet.
“If He repeated it in Scripture no less than five times,”
How many times must Jesus say something for it to be true?
Do you, at this time, think Jesus is made of wood?
“Yup.”
So you believe the Scripture, the very word of God, can be changed, altered or modified by the RCC?
Whatever proper punishment Calvin deserved, he is a good illustration of how claims of being lead by the Holy Ghost can be false.
As Papertyger commented, they are requirements within the God-given jurisdiction of the Church to regulate the lives of the faithful (Matthew 18). Further, every Catholic discipline I listed has its origin in the scripture, even if, perhaps, you can find ways to interpret the relevant scripture in some permissive way as well.
“Whatever proper punishment Calvin deserved, he is a good illustration of how claims of being lead by the Holy Ghost can be false.”
Many of your own popes are good examples of that.
:-D I don't mean to make light of it, but, in all seriousness, what do you propose we do with the common ground on this forum?
The properly identified edicts of the RCC are ALSO "the very word of God."
Let's be careful, here.
We do not place Papal or Conciliar teaching on the same plane as Scripture.
The Scriptures are inerrant and inspired: they are (as we say at Mass) "The Word of The Lord". They are God's revelation of Himself to the Church.
Formal Church teaching is infallible: they enjoy Divine protection from error.
See, for example, Scripture and Infallibilit0y at newadvent, and Dei Verbum for some discussion of the matter.
Forgive me.
I am growing impatient with children insisting arithmetic is the only valid form of mathematics, so I’m omitting proper qualifiers.
I’m thinking “let them sort it out,” but that’s a bad attitude, isn’t it?
good point.
I like the proposed Bible study.
Someone suggested Mark.
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