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Catholic Converts ^ | January 26, 2007 | Chris

Posted on 04/22/2008 2:00:13 PM PDT by annalex

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To: papertyger

“All those divisions sure don’t argue for their commitment to tough it out...”

When part of our group apostatizes, we separate from them. You let apostates continue on, and in some cases, cover it up.

For example, theological liberalism. Evangelical groups have split many times to disassociate themselves from liberalism. The RCC? They seem to let their liberals go on and on - untouched. Maybe there is an extremely rare excommunication, but theological liberalism is far more pervasive in the American Catholic church than it is in the Evangelical world.


121 posted on 04/24/2008 12:20:03 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
And if your going to start calling inanimate objects “God”, you might want a shred of Scriptural support.

If the Creator of the Universe pronouncing the words "This is My Body" aren't enough "Scriptural support" for you, nothing would be.

122 posted on 04/24/2008 4:34:31 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Some of your requirements are not what the Lord requires. They are the requirements of man.

He requires them *now.* That's the point of "binding and loosing."

123 posted on 04/24/2008 4:38:23 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Evangelical groups have split many times to disassociate themselves from liberalism.

And every other reason under the sun...

124 posted on 04/24/2008 4:41:00 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: thefrankbaum

St. Paul’s instructions are very clear: “Christians, get along.”

Now, that does not mean to “gloss over” serious theological differences. But we spend far too much time on the diffferences than the common ground.


125 posted on 04/24/2008 7:15:21 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: papertyger

“If the Creator of the Universe pronouncing the words “This is My Body” aren’t enough “Scriptural support” for you, nothing would be.”

Do you think Jesus is made of wood?


126 posted on 04/24/2008 7:29:56 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: papertyger

“He requires them *now.* That’s the point of “binding and loosing.””

Do you believe the RCC has the authority to “rescind” freedoms granted to tbe believer in the Bible?


127 posted on 04/24/2008 7:32:16 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Do you believe the RCC has the authority to “rescind” freedoms granted to tbe believer in the Bible?

Yup.

128 posted on 04/24/2008 7:35:29 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Do you think Jesus is made of wood?

If He repeated it in Scripture no less than five times, and that's how the Church told me the words were to be interpreted: you bet.

129 posted on 04/24/2008 7:37:19 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

“If He repeated it in Scripture no less than five times,”

How many times must Jesus say something for it to be true?

Do you, at this time, think Jesus is made of wood?


130 posted on 04/24/2008 7:40:28 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: papertyger

“Yup.”

So you believe the Scripture, the very word of God, can be changed, altered or modified by the RCC?


131 posted on 04/24/2008 7:42:43 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Whatever proper punishment Calvin deserved, he is a good illustration of how claims of being lead by the Holy Ghost can be false.


132 posted on 04/24/2008 9:18:15 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: PetroniusMaximus; papertyger
They are the requirements of man

As Papertyger commented, they are requirements within the God-given jurisdiction of the Church to regulate the lives of the faithful (Matthew 18). Further, every Catholic discipline I listed has its origin in the scripture, even if, perhaps, you can find ways to interpret the relevant scripture in some permissive way as well.

133 posted on 04/24/2008 9:23:29 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

“Whatever proper punishment Calvin deserved, he is a good illustration of how claims of being lead by the Holy Ghost can be false.”

Many of your own popes are good examples of that.


134 posted on 04/24/2008 9:25:18 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: MeanWestTexan
I agree with you. But what are we going to do on the common ground? "Jesus is God." "I agree!" "Dittos!"

:-D I don't mean to make light of it, but, in all seriousness, what do you propose we do with the common ground on this forum?

135 posted on 04/24/2008 10:01:55 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
So you believe the Scripture, the very word of God, can be changed, altered or modified by the RCC?

The properly identified edicts of the RCC are ALSO "the very word of God."

136 posted on 04/24/2008 10:12:16 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
The properly identified edicts of the RCC are ALSO "the very word of God."

Let's be careful, here.

We do not place Papal or Conciliar teaching on the same plane as Scripture.

The Scriptures are inerrant and inspired: they are (as we say at Mass) "The Word of The Lord". They are God's revelation of Himself to the Church.

Formal Church teaching is infallible: they enjoy Divine protection from error.

See, for example, Scripture and Infallibilit0y at newadvent, and Dei Verbum for some discussion of the matter.

137 posted on 04/24/2008 10:26:33 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Forgive me.

I am growing impatient with children insisting arithmetic is the only valid form of mathematics, so I’m omitting proper qualifiers.

I’m thinking “let them sort it out,” but that’s a bad attitude, isn’t it?


138 posted on 04/24/2008 10:47:54 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

good point.


139 posted on 04/24/2008 11:00:36 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: thefrankbaum

I like the proposed Bible study.

Someone suggested Mark.


140 posted on 04/24/2008 11:09:07 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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