As well as the menu.
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Posted on 04/22/2008 2:00:13 PM PDT by annalex
Well, yes and no, some (such as apparently Peter at the time) were teaching “judaism-lite” as necessary for salvation (a heresy), others as means of simply a good way of living (denominational).
“Fair enough, but wouldn’t that kind of thing encourage the “novice to be lifted up with pride” as in 1 Ti 3:6?”
I am sure anything can be abused and can go wrong, however, one has to start somewhere.
Yes, some people are rude.
I was told I was a “dirty Jew” a drunken Roman Catholic at a parade in Boston (I presume he was RC; he had a KOC uniform on.)
I don’t hold that against Roman Catholics; nor should you hold the behavior of keyboard commandos against Protestants.
Again, true enough. I just think the populist mindset is a weakness of our era.
We're pretty good at "Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not." But "let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth"...not so much.
Kind of like the low self-esteme thing; those that "have it" don't have it, because everything is me, I, my, mine when they talk about it.
No, there is plenty that is not difficult that is unknown.
And invite a priest to post, quote the catechism, etc.
I always welcome learned perspectives.
Well, that is what I do every day on this forum, pretty much: explain the Catholic prespective, as a layman, and learn from others.
Well, let’s pick a book and go through it.
I understand where they are coming from, and it is in most cases not prejudice akin to anti-Semitism, but a substantive disagreement on the nature of the Incarnation: we believe in human agency, of Peter, of Mary, of the Apostles, the saints, the clergy then and now. This is a difference of substance. The fact that it is sometime expressed rudely is unfortunate, but it is secondary. My point is, that 0.06% that you started your participation in this thread with is in fact a very big number, and it is not about manners.
Your pick...
I would pick:
Exodus —because I have never read it; saw the movie ;-)
Mark -—because its has the most events
or
Letter to the Hebrews -— because someone suggested it here
Do we have any other interested parties?
This side of eternity, growth in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is possible. I have dear Christian friends who do a little Mariolatry on the side. I have other dear Christian friends who do a little Unitarianism on the side, and send their kids to public school. Those who know me best can, no doubt, point out inconsistencies in my life and faith. But, I trust they still love me in our common Lord.
There's something in fallen human nature that loves the idea of alternate feminine channels to God's grace. This is, perhaps, an artifact of the original sin, when Adam stood by and watched Eve argue with the tempter, and then accepted the fruit from her hand, and ate of it. He received, from the woman's hand, a perceived short cut to "the knowledge of good and evil," and godlike status.
I am more interested in the New Testament if it is to be Christian ecumenical in nature. I also prefer the Gospels to the Epistles, but it is your pick, really, since it is your idea.
I can seed it with this conversion story ping list and then see who is interested.
Veneration of Mary has its root quite simply in her being among the central characters of the Gospel and central to the mystery of the Incarnation. If it makes you feel better psychologizing it away, I guess, that would only be consistent with your lack of interest in the scripture. As a Calvinist, you’d rather deal with philosophical speculation, no?
“I am more interested in the New Testament if it is to be Christian ecumenical in nature. I also prefer the Gospels to the Epistles, but it is your pick, really, since it is your idea.”
Mark, it is.
I have a CBS study guide for mark somewhere.
Great. Flag me when you are ready.
No, I guess I'm not too interested in Scripture.
Seriously, though, daily mind-melds with God's Word are essential to my sanity. I went through some weird places BC, skated on the edge of the abyss, and cleave all the more tightly to sanity, and to God's Word, today as a result. I'm also more sensitive to the weird vibes surrounding those who cherish alternate channels.
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In the interests of honesty, I'd better confess that I only have a reasonably fluent reading knowledge of Greek and French. I can stumble through the other languages with a dictionary in hand, and have reasons for wanting to master Turkish.
As well as the menu.
I'm going to use this to reply to both your posts directed at me. I'm not trying to judge others' beliefs - I am just pointing out the danger of such an argument as "we're all Christians, lets focus our attention on those who aren't Christian instead of 'in-fighting'."
It is a dangerous argument because we make ourselves susceptible to the dangers of reaching the 'lowest common denominator.' It may be very true that Christians (including Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses) all agree to certain points. However, there are groups which sincerely believe in the divinity of Jesus and Baptism and all sorts of good things which also see no problem with wrongs such as gay marriage and abortion.
My Catholic faith cannot let me simply gloss over such big differences. Likewise, it cannot let me ignore "minor" (notice the quotes) differences in things like Transubstantiation. To defend the faith, you have to defend it against all - not just those who are completely opposed to you. Indeed, Satan is blessed with a silver tongue. The danger of "we agree on X, Y, and Z - can't we just all get along" may be even greater than other forces arrayed against us.
“Calvin spent his pitiful life explaining away the numerous passages of the scripture that disagree with him.”
I wouldn’t spend very long defending Calvin.
But I wouldn’t try to have people like him put to death either.
“Such a standard shows unfamiliarity with the word of God. The Holy Spirit Himself testifies the scriptures are not the entirety of God’s word.”
No, but they are quite clearly enough to bring one to salvation and to prepare him fro a life of good works.
And if your going to start calling inanimate objects “God”, you might want a shred of Scriptural support.
“but I did enumerate things that the Catholics are supposed to obey, and the Protestants do not have a similar requirement.”
Some of your requirements are not what the Lord requires. They are the requirements of man.
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