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To: papertyger
From the Munificentissimus Deus of Pius XII

It is forbidden to any man to change this, our declaration, pronouncement, and definition or, by rash attempt, to oppose and counter it. If any man should presume to make such an attempt, let him know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.

Translated from Jesus Christ tongue:

(NIV) As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you." He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

(Youngs) And it came to pass, in his saying these things, a certain woman having lifted up the voice out of the multitude, said to him, `Happy the womb that carried thee, and the paps that thou didst suck!' And he said, `Yea, rather, happy those hearing the word of God, and keeping it!'

(Catholic Bible) And it came to pass, as he spoke these things, a certain woman from the crowd, lifting up her voice, said to him: Blessed is the womb that bore thee and the paps that gave thee suck. But he said: Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God and keep it.

So are you saying Christians are cursed and will face the wrath of God and Apostles if they question or have assumptions about the assumption? Kind of flies in the face of what Jesus Christ said. This is why "Protestants" scratch their heads about Papal authority.

Keep in mind this was officially "declared" 1900 years or so after the "assumed" event. Of course the assumption of the assumption was around awhile and gained steam by the EO (They have a different take) and the Roman Church grabbed on after. Why did the assumption take 1500 years to reach a consensus and ensue dogmatic stature worthy of a possible damnation or possible label of heretic if you even question it? What kind of wrath will God and the apostles rain down on those who question the assumption? Will it be hell for all-time or just a slap on the wrist? Will the person be "anathematized"? Inquiry minds want to know if you are blessed for adhering the word of God or damned for not following Rome's speculation?

Mary was certainly blessed and full of grace (As were many throughout all of scripture) but God/Jesus/Holy Spirit did all the important "leg work" and only deserve our time (And certainly not damned for doing so and IGNORING all those other "traditional trappings" so to speak).

Spin away, but from a Christian perspective, someone who says they will "...incur the wrath of Almighty God..." 1900 years after the fact, for not following an "assumption" is being rather elitist and hypocritical towards the very own words of the Father, through Jesus Christ Himself.

Venerate Mary if you will (Not "one of those" who call you damned for doing so) but don't call people in danger of being damned who don't or have assumptions of what happened to Mary.

It's ALL about God/Jesus/Holy Spirit with me, not the human players although many were certainly blessed and had an abundant amount of grace while living on earth.

God Bless you and everyone who speaks in His name.
144 posted on 04/20/2008 11:28:59 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

AMEN!


147 posted on 04/20/2008 11:37:01 AM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: rollo tomasi
Kind of flies in the face of what Jesus Christ said.

No more so than munching on heads of grain is "harvesting on the Sabbath."

...someone who says they will "...incur the wrath of Almighty God..." 1900 years after the fact, for not following an "assumption" is being rather elitist and hypocritical towards the very own words of the Father, through Jesus Christ Himself.

Not of necessity. The relevant question is "true or not."

And recognize, the man who denounces a prophet for presuming to speak for God is assuming the exact same authority, albeit in the negative, that the prophet claimed with his original proclaimation.

152 posted on 04/20/2008 2:11:18 PM PDT by papertyger
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