Posted on 04/11/2008 5:52:15 PM PDT by DouglasKC
“What I meant by bastardization was the practice of partaking of the symbols on days other the yearly passover observance and tossing aside the observance of Passover.
Besides, he did call it “Passover”:
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:”
Bit of stretch with the scripture there. “This passover” obviously refers to the event at hand, not as a Christian observance. The Passover was the old, His NEW testament is what is now in place.
I’m always rather suspicious of those that try to paste Jewish observances into the Christian church. Paul had a term for those types.
As I said to the the other poster, I’m done.
[1 Corinthians 5:7-8] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I wonder what "Feast" Paul was thinking about here?
[Acts 20:6] And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. Luke....here is saying, quite succinctly.....that he and Paul are still marking time by Passover. In verse 16 he explains that Paul is attempting to get to Jerusalem for observance of another "Jewish" holiday (Shavuot)!
This is quite a few years after the resurrection. Why would the Apostles still be referring to "Jewish" holidays if they were indeed....not still observing them?
Sorry, but as Christians, followers of Christ, we are to imitate his life, not follow a traditional interpretation. As Paul said:
1Co 11:1 Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.
I just cannot find that imaginary dividing line from what is suppose to be ‘old’ and where the ‘new’ begins.
I have a hard time thinking that anything and everything Jesus did was "old" and therefore we don't have to follow his example.
Well especially what the majority of Christians now practice regarding remembrance of the Passover is quite leavened with a whole lot of old rituals. Rituals that even predate that first Passover out of Egypt.
Yup! That...in itself....is amazing. Why they call their rites and observances something new is very strange. Like you said....most of mainstream Christianity observes things that were held in esteem by pagan sun worshipers long before the Exodus......and they call it new????? Did anyone say "Sunday"?
Well it is just plain human nature to want to draw a crowd and if it requires allowing diversity of beliefs to have the crowd that is what the majority has always done. It sure is interesting how many times Israel turn her back upon the Heavenly Father, and we are told there is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be again.
Thanks DKC!
Isn't it interesting, then that almost the entire world (excluding English and German speakers) refer to the feast of the Resurrection as "Pascha" (Passover), not Easter!
This holds for all Eastern Christians who will celebrate Pascha on Sunday, April 27, this year but it also applies to Western Christians who speak other languages. For example, Portuguese speakers refer to the day as "Pasqua".
What's interesting about that is how true it still is today. Mainstream churches still today want to attract people and the dollars they bring. So as a result sin isn't really taught anymore. Don't want to offend anyone, so talk around those really difficult issues, or better yet, embrace deviant lifestyles and teach that God doesn't care how we live our lives as long as we have "love".
What's also remarkable about this is that it's not a way to mark a specific time of year. For example, if we marked time by saying "around Christmas time" then everyone would automatically know that it's somewhere around December 25th not matter what year or time. If we were to say, it's around unleavened bread, then we would HAVE to know when unleavened bread occurs for that specific year. You could be referring to anytime between late March and late April depending on the year. So in referring to the days of unleavened bread, it was assumed by the author that people would know the time frame because they all KNEW when God's holy days were observed.
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Passover is a Jewish feast. I am not Jewish, therefore I do not observe it. I do however participate in the memorial know as communion or the Lord’s Supper. THAT is the Christian thing to do.
8 posted on April 11, 2008 7:11:59 PM MDT by swmobuffalo
Easter is a Pagan feast promulgated as "Christianity" by the Pagan Emperor Constantine:
Constantine convened the Nicene Council in 325 AD and issued this edict:
ON THE KEEPING OF EASTER.
From the Letter of the Emperor to all those not present at the Council.
(Found in Eusebius, Vita Const., Lib. iii., 18-20.)
When the question relative to the sacred festival of Easter arose, it was
universally thought that it would be convenient that all should keep the
feast on one day; for what could be more beautiful and more desirable,
than to see this festival, through which we receive the hope of
immortality, celebrated by all with one accord, and in the same
manner? It was declared to be particularly unworthy for this, the
holiest of all festivals, to follow the custom [the calculation] of the
Jews, who had soiled their hands with the most fearful of crimes, and
whose minds were blinded. In rejecting their custom,(1) we may
transmit to our descendants the legitimate mode of celebrating Easter,
which we have observed from the time of the Saviour's Passion to the
present day[according to the day of the week]. We ought not,
therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews, for the Saviour
has shown us another way; our worship follows a more legitimate and
more convenient course(the order of the days of the week); and
consequently, in unanimously adopting this mode, we desire, dearest
brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the
Jews, for it is truly shameful for us to hear them boast that without
their direction we could not keep this feast. How can they be in the
right, they who, after the death of the Saviour, have no longer been led
by reason but by wild violence, as their delusion may urge them? They
do not possess the truth in this Easter question; for, in their blindness
and repugnance to all improvements, they frequently celebrate two
passovers in the same year. We could not imitate those who are openly
in error. How, then, could we follow these Jews, who are most
certainly blinded by error? for to celebrate the passover twice in one
year is totally inadmissible. But even if this were not so, it would still
be your duty not to tarnish your soul by communications with such
wicked people[the Jews]. Besides, consider well, that in such an
important matter, and on a subject of such great solemnity, there ought
not to be any division. Our Saviour has left us only one festal day of
our redemption, that is to say, of his holy passion, and he desired[to
establish] only one Catholic Church. Think, then, how unseemly it is,
that on the same day some should be fasting whilst others are seated
at a banquet; and that after Easter, some should be rejoicing at feasts,
whilst others are still observing a strict fast. For this reason, a Divine
Providence wills that this custom should be rectified and regulated in a
uniform way; and everyone, I hope, will agree upon this point. As, on
the one hand, it is our duty not to have anything in common with the
murderers of our Lord; and as, on the other, the custom now followed
by the Churches of the West, of the South, and of
the North, and by some of those of the East, is the most acceptable, it
has appeared good to all; and I have been guarantee for your consent,
that you would accept it with joy, as it is followed at Rome, in Africa,
in all Italy, Egypt, Spain, Gaul, Britain, Libya, in all Achaia, and in the
dioceses of Asia, of Pontus, and Cilicia. You should consider not only
that the number of churches in these provinces make a majority, but
also that it is right to demand what our reason approves, and that we
should have nothing in common with the Jews. To sum up in few
words: By the unanimous judgment of all, it has been decided that the
most holy festival of Easter should be everywhere celebrated on one
and the same day, and it is not seemly that in so holy a thing there
should be any division. As this is the state of the case, accept joyfully
the divine favour, and this truly divine command; for all which takes
place in assemblies of the bishops ought to be regarded as proceeding
from the will of God. Make known to your brethren what has been
decreed, keep this most holy day according to the prescribed mode; we
can thus celebrate this holy Easter day at the same time, if it is granted
me, as I desire, to unite myself with you; we can rejoice together,
seeing that the divine power has made use of our instrumentality for
destroying the evil designs of the devil, and thus causing faith, peace,
and unity to flourish amongst us. May God graciously protect you, my
beloved brethren.
from DOCUMENTS FROM THE FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA [THE FIRST ECUMENICAL COUNCIL] A.D. 325
b'SHEM Yah'shua
One significant aspect of Passover prior to the Resurrection as opposed to after the Resurrection is that sinners were “passed over” prior to His perfect sacrifice. When He made that sacrifice, He made it once and for all, not to be repeated eternally, but one performance of that sacrifice, thereby changing the state present to believers after the Resurrection.
This has been a point of contention between Protestants and Roman Catholics for centuries, though, in that the tradition of transubstantiation attempts to repeat Christ’s sacrifice at every Mass, instead of relying upon the one Perfect sacrifice made on the Cross for righteousness before God.
Passover this year begins at sunset on April 19, 2008shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
and continues until sunset Sunday April 20.
Why should Christians keep the passover of the rabbis? That is all that remains since AD70 when the old covenant (including the biblical passover) ended.
If that is the case....why would third and fourth generation Christians....well into the second century be celebrating Passover? After all.....they were disciples and descendants of disciples of the last living Apostle....John.
Maybe.....John didn't get the word??????
I think we would both agree that the early disciples were not keeping a biblical passover because they were not strictly following the code set forth in the old covenant.
I'm sure that some of these disciples were doing so for purely traditions sake, but the practices died out within a few generations.
But it also true that most of the groups that continued to push these old covenant practices, like the Ebionties, were heretical in much of their theology.
The fact remains that biblical passover ended when the temple was destroyed and the Levitical priesthood came to a close, and we see nothing in the NT to suggest that the Church expected to continue keeping it as a religious ceremony.
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