Utter nonsense. Many theologians (Ireneus, Jerome, Augustine, Ambrose, Epiphanius etc...) were skeptical and not exactly sure. "Consensus" was not reached until "1900" years later, "1500" if you count from 'De Obitu S. Dominae', how convenient.
I will take the Bible plus early Church Father "questioning of the whole deal" (Some had a belief but not enough to to rise to the level an "dogma", remember that) over Gregory of Tours, De Obitu S. Dominae, hearsay and Pope Pius XII any day.
rollo said-””I will take the Bible plus early Church Father “questioning of the whole deal” “”
Seems to me you are taking someone else's opinion on this rather than looking at what Jerome, Augustine, Ambrose, Epiphanius actually wrote
The early church father's you mention believed Mary is the New Eve and did NOT say Mary sinned at all.
This means that Mary was superior to Eve in every way
lets take a look...
“In accordance with this design, Mary the Virgin is found obedient, saying, ‘Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word.’ But Eve was disobedient; for she did not obey when as yet she was a virgin. And even as she, having indeed a husband, Adam, but being nevertheless as yet a virgin (for in Paradise ‘they were both naked, and were not ashamed,’ inasmuch as they, having been created a short time previously, had no understanding of the procreation of children: for it was necessary that they should first come to adult age, and then multiply from that time onward), having become disobedient, was made the cause of death, both to herself and to the entire human race; so also did Mary, having a man betrothed [to her], and being nevertheless a virgin, by yielding obedience, become the cause of salvation, both to herself and the whole human race. And on this account does the law term a woman betrothed to a man, the wife of him who had betrothed her, although she was as yet a virgin; thus indicating the back-reference from Mary to Eve, because what is joined together could not otherwise be put asunder than by inversion of the process by which these bonds of union had arisen; s so that the former ties be cancelled by the latter, that the latter may set the former again at liberty… Wherefore also Luke, commencing the genealogy with the Lord, carried it back to Adam, indicating that it was He who regenerated them into the Gospel of life, and not they Him. And thus also it was that the knot of Eve's disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. For what the virgin Eve had bound fast through unbelief, this did the virgin Mary set free through faith.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:22 (A.D. 180).
Mary, a Virgin not only undefiled but a Virgin whom grace has made inviolate, free of every stain of sin.” Ambrose, Sermon 22:30 (A.D. 388).
“If the Holy Virgin had died and was buried, her falling asleep would have been surrounded with honour, death would have found her pure, and her crown would have been a virginal one...Had she been martyred according to what is written: ‘Thine own soul a sword shall pierce’, then she would shine gloriously among the martyrs, and her holy body would have been declared blessed; for by her, did light come to the world.”
Epiphanius, Panarion, 78:23 (A.D. 377).
” ‘There shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a flower shall grow out of his roots.’ The rod is the mother of the Lord—simple, pure, unsullied; drawing no germ of life from without but fruitful in singleness like God Himself...Set before you the blessed Mary, whose surpassing purity made her meet to be the mother of the Lord.” Jerome, To Eustochium, Epistle 22:19,38 (A.D. 384).
“We must except the holy Virgin Mary, concerning whom I wish to raise no question when it touches the subject of sins, out of honour to the Lord; for from Him we know what abundance of grace for overcoming sin in every particular was conferred upon her who had the merit to conceive and bear Him who undoubtedly had no sin.” Augustine, Nature and Grace, 36:42 (A.D. 415).
That pretty much takes care of Irenaeus, Jerome, Augustine, Ambrose, Epiphanius .
I don't know who the etc’s are you mention are but I can show you a whole hosts of others along the line of the ones you mentioned.
I wish you a Blessed Evening!
I explained about Mary's mother St. Anna in the post you are responding to ("St. Anna did not carry but another human"). Mary was conceived in the wholly natural way.
Why did Mary make blood sacrifices from those 2 innocent turtle doves if she was sinless?
That was routine Hebrew purufication mothers had to undergo after giving birth. It is not connected to sin.
I guess God is a liar in your opinion because ALL (Sorry no * is found for Mary in the Bibles I read) have fallen short.
You are implying Romans 3. Yes, there St. Paul is speaking in generalized terms as is clear from the context. Not only is Mary an exception but also are some Hebrew righteous declared such in the Bible(see Noah or Elijah), children before age of reason or Christ Himself. The context describes not merely people who sin but people who are bloodthursty murderers and they obviously are not.
Yes, I agree that nearly every doctrine of the Church had been disputed by some in the Church. In fact, dogmas are proclaimed only because someone is disputing them and not before.
we don't even know which place Mary's tomb is (your next post)
This is my point exactly: several places claim that she had lived there but there is no relic of any kind, not even a tomb.