If Mary's mom and dad did not conceive Mary would God be powerless to chose another female? Why did it take 1900 years to establish the dogma? Empirical evidence established the Resurrection since day one. If Mary ascended where is the empirical evidence at? Conflicting stories do not count consistency needs establishment. Are religions actually an enemy of the real God? (Trying to create/please God in man's own vision, works and deeds)
One day I brought up these simple questions to a nun in religion class and it got me in a whole lot of trouble. Never did get a LOGICAL answer from the nun, principle (Who was also a nun) and the Priest I had to visit for "counseling".
Good points.
I understand. The resistence to truth on these threads on the RC side is so thick one would need blasting materials to shake it slightly loose.
Thanks much.
First go read what the doctrine says pay close attention to the phrase “ merits of Jesus Christ”
Then please go research where the relics of Mary are kept and venerated. ( I am not asking you to believe in them, but keep in mind the relics of Saints are kept and venerated by the faithful. It is a great honor for a Church to house the relics of a saint. So they do tend to let word get out they have them)
Then read a variety of concordances on the meaning of the phrase “ full of Grace”. To be thorough start with the question of how the Greek phrase “Kecharitomene:” is properly understood and translated. There are disagreements but I think it important you get a chance to examine all sides.
Then if you want. (I wouldn’t) you can read about the debate between different Schools of Theology about whether Mary was without original sin as well as personal sin or only without personal sin. It may be enough to read how the writings of Don Scotus helped answer the dilemma of if all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, how then could Mary be without original sin? Didn’t think the Church had thought of that little glitch did you?
Then please look up the definition of Assumption and contrast it to the Ascension. They are not the same and anyone who trys to give you an understanding that they are needs a swift kick in the ass.
Ok after all that come back and ask your question again edited to reflect what Catholics truly believe and what the Marian doctrines you allude to actually say.
If Mary was free from original sin then her parents and their parents etc... must be also.
It does not follow. Mary herself was not god, she carried God and this, the speculation goes, necessitated her purity as the tabernacle of the Word. St. Anna did not carry but another human.
I would agree this is a bit speculative. The scripture merely says "Hail full of grace". The Greek there is past tense, and it is a unique Greek word not used by Luke anywhere else. This leads us to think that hte filling of grace occurred at some point before the Angle spoke. The natural point of time for that is conception. But one who goes by the scripture alone is not obligated to reacht he same conclusion Catholics reach.
Mary would God be powerless to chose another female?
We believe that God foreknows all events, so He foreknew Mary's consent also. It is pointless to speculate if another woman would have been chosen, since we don't have multiple universes and in this one, Mary was chosen.
Why did it take 1900 years to establish the dogma?
The Catholic dogmas are not established by council. They are proclaimed as being the belief of the Church since day one. The Pope chose to proclaim the marian beliefs in question as dogmatic because the world was falling into a number of inhumane heresies, atheistic darwinism chief among them. At that point it became important to stress that human existence has a supernatural dimension and has heaven as its both source and destiny. But the Pope would not have been able to proclaim the dogma if the beleif had not been present in an inarticulated form in the Church.
If Mary ascended where is the empirical evidence at
That is sort of the point: there is no known relic of Virgin Mary when there is a relic of virtually every saint of the early Church period.