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To: stfassisi

Your entire post is a false AND DANGEROUS paradigm. It subtlely supports the concept of intentional ignorance and putting your interpretation of your personal experience with God in the hands of other men.

One does not need to read a bible to be saved, but to imply that it could be remotely superseded by the words of a “spiritual leader” either of your contemporaries or of post bible antiquity is to support the line of thinking that allows the likes of Mohammad, Jim Jones and Joseph Smith to be taken seriously.

“There is a way that seems right to a man but it’s end is death.”

Snap out of it! When a man and the bible disagree, the bible trumps EVERY time.


505 posted on 04/11/2008 9:21:31 AM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: RobRoy
Rob Roy said “”When a man and the bible disagree,trumps everytime”” and this... “” either of your contemporaries or of post bible antiquity is to support the line of thinking that allows the likes of Mohammad, Jim Jones and Joseph Smith to be taken seriously.””

Explain why there are thousands of protestant communities who disagree with each others scripture interpretations along all kinds of heresies that NO early Christian's believed until the reformation if the Bible trumps every time?

It is your OWN personal interpretations of the Bible that you believe trumps every time and it is THIS DANGEROUS paradigm that has produced Jim Jones, Joseph Smith and many others.This came out of the reformation and solo-scriptura,not Catholicism/Orthodoxy

I don't have that problem of confusion,I follow the teaching of an over 2000 year old church that the Bible came out of and I can read the writings of the early Church fathers along with Scripture typology with clear historical interpretations of those scriptures through the ages.

Rob Roy-””Snap out of it!””

You need to snap our of it,Dear Brother, The Catholic Church came before the Bible,not the other way around.

Here is the writings from 2 Saints who were DIRECT DISIPLES of the Apostle Saint John

“See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).

“[A]ll the people wondered that there should be such a difference between the unbelievers and the elect, of whom this most admirable Polycarp was one, having in our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher, and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. For every word that went out of his mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished.” Martyrdom of Polycarp, 16:2 (A.D. 155).

509 posted on 04/11/2008 10:11:08 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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