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To: roamer_1
The traditions are a reflection of the Scriptures, But it is silly to suppose they have the same authority as that which came directly from the mouths of Christ's apostles.

Some do and some don't. The Catholic Holy Tradition gave you the Holy Gospel.

Those examples I have been shown are veiled and subject to interpretive endeavors.

Like any other scriptural claim, mariological exegesis is necessary to clarify them. This is why the exegesis has to be grounded in the Holy Tradition and not in 19-20c mariophobic fantasies.

263 posted on 04/10/2008 12:06:50 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

No, they didn't. The Gospel came from words and deeds of Christ, recorded in the writings of the first apostles and disciples, most all of whom were Jewish. They were not "Catholic", nor ever self identified as such.

There was no "catholic church", at that time that the writings were first being widely circulated, and no "Catholic Holy Tradition", at the time of the earliest, and next earliest generation of apostles and followers of Christ. All that "Catholic" labeling stuff, came somewhat later...although the they DID recognize the body of written works, that at the time of the founding of the "RCC", had already been widely circulated, and accepted for some time, as being 'canonical', and accurate.

We can however, thank the exacting, painstaking work of many Catholic monks who preserved it. And I do.

274 posted on 04/10/2008 12:23:33 PM PDT by BlueDragon (here's the thing; do recognize the bell of truth when you here it ring, c'mon and sing it children)
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To: annalex
The Catholic Holy Tradition gave you the Holy Gospel.

That is not precisely true, but I won't argue the point here...

Like any other scriptural claim, mariological exegesis is necessary to clarify them. This is why the exegesis has to be grounded in the Holy Tradition and not in 19-20c mariophobic fantasies.

But it is the Scriptural claim that is in question. I can think of no belief, broadly held by Christianity that does not have evidence of a very strong theme in both the Word and the Prophecy, to say the least. Mary does not.

312 posted on 04/10/2008 1:21:54 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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