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Mary and the Problem of Christian Unity
Coming Home Network ^ | Kenneth J. Howell, Ph. D.

Posted on 04/09/2008 12:36:13 PM PDT by annalex

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To: roamer_1

Well, those too (LOL).


721 posted on 04/14/2008 12:34:29 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary
...but the bible clals them brothers and sisters...

You're not concerned with the Bible as much as you are concerned with what others have told you to believe. Traditions of Men.

722 posted on 04/14/2008 12:34:42 PM PDT by Petronski (Bitterly clinging to religion and guns here in Penna.)
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To: Petronski; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Marysecretary; DarthVader

OH DEAR! that RCP2 seems awfully common today.

Refresher lesson:

Some things are DIFFERENT.

And

Some things are the SAME or nearly the same.

Being a gynecologist is NOT the SAME

as being a MOTHER—particularly in the case of male gynecologists.

A gynecologist is an EXPERT on having babies.

that’s NOT the SAME as having a baby.

In like logical fashion [NOT the SAME thing as the RC edifice’s RUBBER ‘logic’]

being an EXPERT on RC falsehoods on these threads

is NOT THE SAME

as being their author! LOL.

It’s really not that difficult . . . if one concentrates.


723 posted on 04/14/2008 12:35:29 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

You are so welcome. Any time...


724 posted on 04/14/2008 12:35:39 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary
I actually know a white Amish woman named Jemima. She’s a great baker!

Sorry, that. It was just such an unlikely name to pull out of thin air... Things like that tickle me. :D

725 posted on 04/14/2008 12:36:28 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Quix

You denied keeping score before admitting keeping score and, unhappy about being called on it, you’re becoming very angry.

At this moment I am glad I am protected from you by distance.


726 posted on 04/14/2008 12:36:40 PM PDT by Petronski (Bitterly clinging to religion and guns here in Penna.)
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To: roamer_1

Seriously, I think, — just my opinion, — that the relations between the Protestants as a whole and Catholics could be healthier. This does not mean a sacramental union, like one we may accomplish with the Eastern Orthodox hopefully in a generation or two.

The Catholic-Protestant relations could be healthier if either side should

1. Refrain from describing the other confession in caricature terms. For example, the Protestants should listen to how the Catholics themselves explain the veneration of Mary, the saints, and the relics, rather than assuming that all these are idolatry or even detract from the worship of God. This doesn’t mean the Protestants have to venerate Mary, but it means that the Protestants express their disagreement in terms acceptable to the Catholics.

2. Concentrate on its own confession rather than on defects in other confessions, just like Protestants do between themselves, and the Catholics do with the Orthodox.

3. Acknowledge that each side is profoundly concerned in correctly understanding the entirety of the Holy Scripture, and that we have honest differences of opinion regarding the interpretation of some passages. For example, the role of good works in salvation in relation to professed faith, or the role of Mary in the salvation history are such differences. It is unhealthy to call another side’s interpretation as unscriptural, deride it as “tradition of men”, etc. when your own side also has but an interpretation by other group of men. To put differently, to offer a variety of interpretatins of scripture is one thing, and it is healthy. To say that one interpretation is inspired by the Holy Ghost and the other is not is not healthy.

4. Acknowledge that the works of the early fathers of the Church is an important historical witness to the practices of the historical early Church. It is fine to disagree with them here and there, unhealthy to create myths of the historicity of one side’s interpretation of scripture in absence of patristic evidence of such.

There is probably more, but these would be very good ground rules of ecumenical conduct.


727 posted on 04/14/2008 12:36:49 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: lastchance

Nice to see the first paragraph full of good Biblical truth.

I take your word for it that Most RC’s avoid such things.


728 posted on 04/14/2008 12:37:01 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: lastchance

Luke didn’t buy into all that malarky.


729 posted on 04/14/2008 12:37:57 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Petronski

Not false at all.

Brazenly foisted on the public hereon rather chronically as well as observed persistently in the lives of a good percentage of the RC’s we’ve known and know in our extended networks.


730 posted on 04/14/2008 12:39:29 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Petronski
As has been explained here may times, co is used in the sense of the Latin “cum,” meaning “with.”

Just poking a little fun, Petro... The opportunity presented, and the rest is now history :D

731 posted on 04/14/2008 12:39:53 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Quix

False and phony.


732 posted on 04/14/2008 12:40:32 PM PDT by Petronski (Bitterly clinging to religion and guns here in Penna.)
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To: MrLee

That was a startling shocker when I realized that.

Thx.


733 posted on 04/14/2008 12:40:52 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Marysecretary
Nor does it say He didn’t want [Mary] to [have biological children] and not to have them.

That is true as well. The scripture is silent on the matter of Mary having other biological children.

734 posted on 04/14/2008 12:40:52 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: roamer_1

I’m happy to kid around with people of good will. Be well.


735 posted on 04/14/2008 12:41:28 PM PDT by Petronski (Bitterly clinging to religion and guns here in Penna.)
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To: Marysecretary

Mary, if someone who claimed to be Protestant told me that he could also call be a Druid and worship the spirit of the Oak tree I would call BS on him not on Protetantism. If a Protestant cleric said they could also be Muslim I would have a very, very long hard laugh before weeping for their ignorance. If a Protestant told me that Mother Gaia was a symbol of the suffering Christ and we must plead for her forgiveness I would wonder just how many days they had been without their meds. If the preachers tell me that for 500 dollars down and low monthly donations I will prosper and be a witness to the genoristy of God. I will keep my purse tightly closed.

What I would not do is say, ah ha Protestant churches must all believe this and they must all teach this. This must be what being Protestant means. They substitute all this for Jesus. Protestants one and all are not Christian.

We do have those within the Church who may through ignorance or outright rebellion corrupt the teachings of the Church. We do not allow them to be the ones who decide what Catholicism teaches and believes and neither should you. We call them Jesuits in many cases.


736 posted on 04/14/2008 12:41:41 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: MrLee
The link between RCC and Islam will be their worship of Mary.

The RCC does not teach the worship of Mary.

737 posted on 04/14/2008 12:42:18 PM PDT by Petronski (Bitterly clinging to religion and guns here in Penna.)
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To: Petronski

Then Catholics who do need to make it a lot clearer. It seems to many of us here that Mary takes too big a space in your worship. When I see Catholic ads in the paper about praying to Mary, when we see nothing about Jesus there, it leads people to believe that you think more of Mary than you do of her son.


738 posted on 04/14/2008 12:42:23 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Petronski

NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST ANGRY.

Bemused is more accurately my mood here on this thread at this time.

Sometimes guffawedly bemused.

Yet again . . . another brazen falsehood brought to us through the courtesy of the RC edifice.


739 posted on 04/14/2008 12:42:55 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Marysecretary
I don’t make claim to that. I just read what seems clear. You called him a liar. You can get bounced off the threads for that. I’m sure you have a good heart (and a bit of a temper, too,huh? Smile)

I just find it hard to believe that his style of ministering to Catholics wins him many eager ears in the real world, as he claims. I was aware that there are Protestants who despise Catholics (or their church, whichever the claim may be); I have just been fortunate until now to have never experienced it personally.

So, I'm sure you can understand the source of my scepticism of his claims.

740 posted on 04/14/2008 12:43:10 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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