Posted on 04/09/2008 12:36:13 PM PDT by annalex
YUP. good points.
Actually, He does lead me into quite a frutful ministry to RC’s . . . typically in small groups or 1:1, face to face via my classes and other social contacts.
What would be an equal statement a Protty could make . . .
“One should ignore these Rosary flailing RC Protty bashers because they are full of Protty hate.”
I can hear the chorus of wailing “UNTRUE! UNTRUE!’s” now.
All I know is that I have not a bit of hate toward any RC hereon. Not a microgram’s worth.
I realize that folks will go and believe what they will. But that will have to be between them and God.
Welllll, I’d long assumed more or less that probably the Fatima stuff was some level of apparition. I gave it a 51% chance of being even from God.
Then I ran across the evidence on another favorite site and I was stunned. It rang exceedingly true because of my 45+ years studying the UFO topic.
I don’t per se believe God needs plan B either. However, I am certain that IF He did—he could create plan B through plan ZZZZZ. . . instantly, creatively and with great glee.
He would NEVER be the slightest hindered by ANY of his creation’s choice.
Or . . . as Dr. Walter Martin would say . . . assuming the entire multiverse was one vast computer . . . at the level of individuals in creation . . . they have freewill—certainly perceived free will. HOWEVER, GOD THE PROGRAMMER ALSO HAS FREE WILL and can adjut any part or any combination of parts of the program or hardware to achieve HIS ENDS.
This is a very profound point. If Mary were qualified for special or particular grace, for a veneration above the apostles, and bordering on equality with Jesus Himself, Then why wasn’t deference shown to her by those apostles?
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They never really answer that question. And, if rarely and odd one attempts to answer it—the result is always embarrassing illogic and chaff.
Interesting points. Would have to ponder again, for sure. But I think I greatly agree.
Yes, Ps.69:9 makes it very clear that Mary had other children. See Mk.3:31-35
“It’s clear to me that the RC perceptual problem distorting and rubberizing Scripture, definitions, history, logic and math thoroughly all out of whack and dependability is alive and well and functioning quite as usual to render words 100% mangled with little even remote connectedness to what I wrote and meant.”
You are the one who told us you follow Guy Malone and back him completely.
You are the one who posts to the UFO threads and posits about the coming “deceptions” and world government and UFOs.
If I have misinterpreted your theology, then, you haven’t made it clear.
You seem to think that your interpretation of the Catholic faith is what we should believe. This is your post:
“It’s still shocking to me that you honestly believe so much nonsense about all that. Amazing. Shockingly amazing.””
What we believe is nonsense to you. You have mischaracterized and misinterpreted our beliefs to a horrendous degree.
“OR REPENT AND RETRACT—as y’all are so prone to say—>such an outrageous example of bearing false witness.
It’s clear to me that the RC perceptual problem distorting and rubberizing Scripture, definitions, history, logic and math thoroughly all out of whack and dependability is alive and well and functioning quite as usual to render words 100% mangled with little even remote connectedness to what I wrote and meant.”
I will absolutely not retract what I said. I interpret your space-demon theology in the same light as you do the dogma of the church.
If you care to defend your UFOtheology, do so.
But, don’t tell me you are entitled to your personal interpretation of others’ beliefs and expect no one to interpret yours.
What nonsense that Mary through her fiat shows us a way to follow Christ?
I have come to the conclusion whenever some Protestants even see the name Mary they stop their ears.
20 c has seen proliferation of diverse Protestaqnt groups, such as fundamentalist evangelicalism, further splintered into adherents of diverse eschatological beliefs, neo-judaizing sects such as Pastor Hagee, liberal wings of preexisting Protestant communities that consecrate gay "marriages", new "prosperity gospel" theologies, etc.
The entirety of Catholic mariology, and prayers to saints in general, are without Biblical standing, and are offensive to the singular redemption and intercessory power of Christ.
This is a display of ignorance and rejection of Chrisatian mariological tradition and Mary in the scripture, which in itself shows how there could be no unity without Mary.
Mohammedanism is decidedly *not* a religion based upon the God Jehovah
They say it is, and it is called abrahamic religion -- I did not invent the term.
I think you're a liar.
This is an assertion, which happens, like the author points out, to separate you from the mainstream body of Christian thought.
I refuse to believe ...
Indeed. That is a problem. You also refuse to think. Do you really imagine that after giving birth to God a "simply woman" would say, "OK, that's done, now that the angel's gone, let's make us some babies"
Mary is the New Eve and thus is the SPIRITUAL Mother of all those who have been redeemed.
Adam is the Father of all humanity and Eve is the Mother of all humanity.
“Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.”
1Corinthians 15:45
The New Adam is Jesus Christ, who is the Creator of all humanity. Since we have a first Adam and a last Adam, and a first Eve as well, then it stands to reason that we have a last Eve, the Blessed Virgin Mary who is known as the New Eve.
Since Eve is the mother of all humanity, then the Blessed Virgin Mary is Mother of us all as well, Our Spiritual Mother.
Scripture typology and the writings of the early Christians bears this out.
Why would you expect Our Blessed Lord(who is perfection) to enter the world through a sin stained creature?
Does not it stand to reason that when GOD created the “New Ark of the Covenant”, the vessel that contained “His Word” (Jesus Christ, John 1:1) that He would be equally or more meticulous in creating it? Can GOD co-exist with original sin in the same vessel, the womb of Mary? That ‘vessel’, Mary, had to be worthy of the ‘Treasure’ she carried, Jesus The Christ, the Word Incarnate.
Even Martin Luther thought so...
“It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary's soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God's gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin.”
Martin Luther, (Sermon: “On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” 1527)
Dear Friend,It is your “do it my way” or believe the lies that pastor Chuck or Harry has told you that causes you to be at total odds with Historical Christianity.
An accurate description of yourself.
Agree. So?
Anything that takes from His glory is false religion
Veneration of Mary and the saints is worship of God, because Mary and the saints are menifestations of divine glory. When you refuse to acknowledge the miracle of incarnation -- speaking of Mary -- you, ot us, take away for Christ's glory.
The Bible specifically forbids graven images
Judaism forbids most images. The Bible merely forbids worshiping of idols. This controversy was resolved around 14 centuries ago.
They travel for thousands of miles to pray over bits of bone and hanks of hair.
You must be speaking of relics of other saints, because Mary, consistently with the fact of her assuption in body into heaven left us no relic. I did venerate the bones of her mother, St. Anna nort long ago. It was an experience that firmed up my faith very much.
These dead people cannot help you in your prayers
The scripture tells otherwise: they are not dead, and can help. See Communion of Saints.
I invite you to read the threads on FR about Mary, as well as other Catholic and Orthodox resources available in great number on the Internet, and if you have specific fears or questions, I will be happy to answer.
There is a reason why people pay attention to the Catholic Church, -- she is the only church that matters.
Sure it does. Mary was present at the Pentecost at the birth of the Catholic Church. See Acts 1-2.
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