Now see, we find this idea ridiculous and we see it as such because it flies in the face of everything that God teaches through the written word.
Jesus is not a little child, nor does he need his mother interceeding for us to him. By taking this view, it appears that far from acknowledging the work of the cross, you diminish it. You make her increase and him decrease and to us, this will never fly.
by the way, did you know the Greek goddess "Hera" was also given the title "The Queen of heaven" and, she renewed her perpetual virginity by bathing. Catholic views of Mary, not being biblicaly based, get mixed up with dare we say it -- pagan beliefs.
If you go to a Chinese Buddhist temple, as I have done , on the upper West Side of Manhattan and ask the "osho" for a summary of his belief, he will say that mankind is unable to save itself so the Buddha came to earth to save us. Drat! Pagan belief! I guess we have to stop believing or saying that about Jesus, huh?
And as to the Salve Regina, I take it you don't sing Christmas Carols? Is it hour idea that since Jesus' birth is, like, SEW two millennia ago, we should stop with the drummer boy and the Come bring a torch Jeanette, Isabella, and O Little Town of Bethlehem and just get over it? Does the idea of Christian Poetry seem wrong to you? Do you REALLY think it is somehow going to be NEWS to me that Jesus grew up? (I've been asking myself why it isn't the figure of a neonate on those crucifixes. Thanks for clearing that up for me.)
nor does he need his mother interceeding [sic] for us to him
WHERE, show me exactly where I said anything about Jesus NEEDING Mary to intercede.
Okay, I gave you a detailed response and now you reply with "flies in the face of everything God teaches through the written word." Did you READ what I wrote or just look for something with which you could disagree? Then finding nothing substantial, you made up the "need" issue -- which has been addressed several times on FR and maybe even on this thread, and you bring in the way Hera has some vague similarities to our Lady and then make a charge of mingling with paganism.
You asked a question It was based on a fabulous and almost incredible misapprehension of what we in fact teach. I attempted to respond to the question you raised. Now I have to think it wasn't a real question, it wasn't honest, it wasn't the raising of an issue to communicate and to gain understanding. It seems to have been some kind of a trick.
My thesis in a lot of this thread has been that many (not all) Protestant invent stuff to argue against. You are demonstrating that thesis. WHO said "need"? Where? What's the URL? I don't say it. Not only do I not say, and have never said it, but I have also argued against the idea that we "need" Mary's intercession or Jesus "needs" it.
So where did the charge come from?
Is it just possible that at least some of those who argue against us come to the table "knowing" that we're wrong and then pervert what we say and invent stuff (not consciously, mind you) and say we said it because they are just so sure we are wrong that they simply can't read what we in fact write? But this doesn't bother them because they never intended to find out what we really think, since it's so much more fun to argue agasiint what we don't think.
Sorry if this seems angry. But when I take the time to explain something -- NOT to defend it, as such, just to flesh out what it is we in fact believe and how we think of it, it is really frustrating to get back "need" and Hera and sweeping statements.
Does any of you care to understand, not to agree, just to understand, what we in fact believe and think or is, somehow, the WORD Catholic so dreadful and vile that what we actually do and believe is irrelevant? Or are ALL of you Sado-evangelists to whom the assurance of the knowledge that they are right provides permission to ignore what is actually said, believed, and thought by those against whom they pretend to argue because the REAL deal is that Catholics and Orthodox should just be abused and that if ignoring them or twisting their words irritates them why, so much the better! It's just a foretaste of the damnation they are calling down on themselves for not agreeing with whichever of the different Protestant beliefs happens to have the floor at the time.
AMEN! We're supposed to become as little children. Not Christ! Christ is "the rock higher than we."
Yet again the RCC has it all backwards.
by the way, did you know the Greek goddess "Hera" was also given the title "The Queen of heaven" and, she renewed her perpetual virginity by bathing. Catholic views of Mary, not being biblicaly based, get mixed up with dare we say it -- pagan beliefs.
lol. Oh, go ahead and say it.