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To: Petronski
I'll stick with the 2000 years of Christ's own Catholic Church.

Like what the Roman Catholic Church was before or after Vatican II? Before or after the Rosary, the tradition of confessions to a priest?

The Catholic Church is not a constant for the last 2,000 years, and didn't formally exist for 400 years after Jesus. The Messianic communities of the early Church were far more Jewish and far more decentralized than the Catholic Church you reference. Were they truly saved? I believe so. Did they believe and worship in a way at all similar to Catholics for the last 500 years? I don't think so.

Christianity is very simple and does not need the Catholic superstructure of outdated traditions rooted in dead cultures and forgotten heresies. Claims to exclusivity based on traditions not followed for hundreds of years after the resurrection of Jesus should be met with skepticism at the very least.

You have to ask yourself. If it wasn't necessary for salvation to the first Christians, why is it necessary now?

295 posted on 03/25/2008 3:28:37 PM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: dan1123
The Catholic Church is not a constant for the last 2,000 years...

Who has claimed that?

...and didn't formally exist for 400 years after Jesus.

Define "formally exist." It was founded by Christ Himself.

Christianity is very simple and does not need the Catholic superstructure of outdated traditions rooted in dead cultures and forgotten heresies.

LOL   By your calculus, you prefer the fresh traditions of dying cultures and newfangled heresies.

300 posted on 03/25/2008 3:33:37 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: dan1123
Christianity is very simple and does not need the Catholic superstructure ...

And you have tens of thousands of denominations to prove it, right?

303 posted on 03/25/2008 3:37:02 PM PDT by papertyger (changing words quickly metastasizes into changing facts -- Ann Coulter)
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To: dan1123
You have to ask yourself. If it wasn't necessary for salvation to the first Christians, why is it necessary now?

Just curious - what do you think the Church today requires for Salvation that It did not in the first days?

306 posted on 03/25/2008 3:51:30 PM PDT by thefrankbaum
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To: dan1123
You have to ask yourself. If it wasn't necessary for salvation to the first Christians, why is it necessary now?

Wonderfully said!

376 posted on 03/25/2008 8:13:06 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: dan1123
Christianity is very simple and does not need the Catholic superstructure of outdated traditions rooted in dead cultures and forgotten heresies.

Ah, would that were true. Sadly, those heresies aren't forgotten, but championed around here.

388 posted on 03/25/2008 8:26:36 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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