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LOGIC AND THE FOUNDATIONS OF PROTESTANTISM
The Coming Home Network ^ | Brian W. Harrison

Posted on 03/24/2008 3:36:37 PM PDT by annalex

LOGIC AND THE FOUNDATIONS OF PROTESTANTISM

by Brian W. Harrison

As an active Protestant in my mid-twenties I began to feel that I might have a vocation to become a minister. The trouble was that while I had quite definite convictions about the things that most Christians have traditionally held in common—the sort of thing C.S. Lewis termed "mere Christianity."

I had had some firsthand experience with several denominations (Presbyterian, Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist) and was far from certain as to which of them (if any) had an overall advantage over the others. So I began to think, study, search, and pray. Was there a true Church? If so, how was one to decide which?

The more I studied, the more perplexed I became. At one stage my elder sister, a very committed evangelical with somewhat flexible denominational affiliations, chided me with becoming "obsessed" with trying to find a "true Church." "Does it really matter?" she would ask. Well, yes it did. It was all very well for a lay Protestant to relegate the denominational issue to a fairly low priority amongst religious questions: lay people can go to one Protestant Church one week and another the next week and nobody really worries too much. But an ordained minister obviously cannot do that. He must make a very serious commitment to a definite Church community, and under normal circumstances that commitment will be expected to last a lifetime. So clearly that choice had to be made with a deep sense of responsibility; and the time to make it was before, not after, ordination.

As matters turned out, my search lasted several years, and eventually led me to where I never suspected it would at first. I shall not attempt to relate the full story, but will focus on just one aspect of the question as it developed for me—an aspect which seems quite fundamental.

As I groped and prayed my way towards a decision, I came close to despair and agnosticism at times, as I contemplated the mountains of erudition, the vast labyrinth of conflicting interpretations of Christianity (not to mention other faiths) which lined the shelves of religious bookshops and libraries. If all the "experts" on Truth—the great theologians, historians, philosophers—disagreed interminably with each other, then how did God, if He was really there, expect me, an ordinary Joe Blow, to work out what was true?

The more I became enmeshed in specific questions of Biblical interpretation—of who had the right understanding of justification, of the Eucharist, Baptism, grace, Christology, Church government and discipline, and so on—the more I came to feel that this whole-line of approach was a hopeless quest, a blind alley. These were all questions that required a great deal of erudition, learning, competence in Biblical exegesis, patristics, history, metaphysics, ancient languages—in short, scholarly research. But was it really credible (I began to ask myself) that God, if He were to reveal the truth about these disputed questions at all, would make this truth so inaccessible that only a small scholarly elite had even the faintest chance of reaching it? Wasn’t that a kind of gnosticism? Where did it leave the nonscholarly bulk of the human race? It didn’t seem to make sense. If, as they say, war is too important to be left to the generals, then revealed truth seemed too important to be left to the Biblical scholars. It was no use saying that perhaps God simply expected the non-scholars to trust the scholars. How were they to know which scholars to trust, given that the scholars all contradicted each other?

Therefore, in my efforts to break out of the dense exegetical undergrowth where I could not see the wood for the trees, I shifted towards a new emphasis in my truth-seeking criteria: I tried to get beyond the bewildering mass of contingent historical and linguistic data upon which the rival exegetes and theologians constructed their doctrinal castles, in order to concentrate on those elemental, necessary principles of human thought which are accessible to all of us, learned and unlearned alike. In a word, I began to suspect that an emphasis on logic, rather than on research, might expedite an answer to my prayers for guidance.

The advantage was that you don’t need to be learned to be logical. You need not have spent years amassing mountains of information in libraries in order to apply the first principles of reason. You can apply them from the comfort of your armchair, so to speak, in order to test the claims of any body of doctrine, on any subject whatsoever, that comes claiming your acceptance. Moreover logic, like mathematics, yields firm certitude, not mere changeable opinions and provisional hypotheses. Logic is the first natural "beacon of light" with which God has provided us as intelligent beings living in a world darkened by the confusion of countless conflicting attitudes, doctrines and world-views, all telling us how to live our lives during this brief time that is given to us here on earth.

Logic of course has its limits. Pure "armchair" reasoning alone will never be able to tell you the meaning of your life and how you should live it. But as far as it goes, logic is an indispensable tool, and I even suspect that you sin against God, the first Truth, if you knowingly flout or ignore it in your thinking. "Thou shalt not contradict thyself" seems to me an important precept of the natural moral law. Be that as it may, I found that the main use of logic, in my quest for religious truth, turned out to be in deciding not what was true, but what was false. If someone presents you with a system of ideas or doctrines which logical analysis reveals to be coherent—that is, free from internal contradictions and meaningless absurdities—then you can conclude, "This set of ideas may be true. It has at least passed the first test of truth—the coherence test." To find out if it actually is true you will then have to leave your logician’s armchair and seek further information. But if it fails this most elementary test of truth, it can safely be eliminated without further ado from the ideological competition, no matter how many impressive-looking volumes of erudition may have been written in support of it, and no matter how attractive and appealing many of its features (or many of its proponents) may appear.

Some readers may wonder why I am laboring the point about logic. Isn’t all this perfectly obvious? Well, it ought to be obvious to everyone, and is indeed obvious to many, including those who have had the good fortune of receiving a classical Catholic education. Catholicism, as I came to discover, has a quite positive approach to our natural reasoning powers, and traditionally has its future priests study philosophy for years before they even begin theology. But I came from a religious milieu where this outlook was not encouraged, and was often even discouraged. The Protestant Reformers taught that original sin has so weakened the human intellect that we must be extremely cautious about the claims of "proud reason." Luther called reason the "devil’s whore"—a siren which seduced men into grievous error. "Don’t trust your reason, just bow humbly before God’s truth revealed to you in His holy Word, the Bible!"—this was pretty much the message that came through to me from the Calvinist and Lutheran circles that influenced me most in the first few years after I made my "decision for Christ" at the age of 18. The Reformers themselves were forced to employ reason even while denouncing it, in their efforts to rebut the Biblical arguments of their "Papist" foes. And that, it seemed to me, was rather illogical on their part.

 

LOGIC AND THE "SOLA SCRIPTURA" PRINCIPLE

Thus, with my awakening interest in logical analysis as a test of religious truth, I was naturally led to ask whether this illogicality in the practice of the Reformers was, perhaps, accompanied by illogicality at the more fundamental level of their theory. As a good Protestant I had been brought up to hold as sacred the basic methodological principle of the Reformation: that the Bible alone contains all the truth that God has revealed for our salvation. Churches that held to that principle were at least "respectable," one was given to understand, even though they might differ considerably from each other in regard to the interpretation of Scripture. But as for Roman Catholicism and other Churches which unashamedly added their own traditions to the Word of God—were they not self-evidently outside the pale? Were they not condemned out of their own mouths?

But when I got down to making a serious attempt to explore the implications of this rock-bottom dogma of the Reformers, I could not avoid the conclusion that it was rationally indefensible. This is demonstrated in the following eight steps, which embody nothing more than simple, commonsense logic, and a couple of indisputable, empirically observable facts about the Bible:

1. The Reformers asserted Proposition A: "All revealed truth is to be found in the inspired Scriptures." However, this is quite useless unless we know which books are meant by the "inspired Scriptures." After all, many different sects and religions have many different books, which they call "inspired Scriptures."

2. The theory we are considering, when it talks of "inspired Scriptures," means in fact those 66 books, which are bound and published in Protestant Bibles. For convenience we shall refer to them from now on simply as "the 66 books."

3. The precise statement of the theory we are examining thus becomes Proposition B: "All revealed truth is to be found in the 66 books."

4. It is a fact that nowhere in the 66 books themselves can we find any statements telling us which books make up the entire corpus of inspired Scripture. There is no complete list of inspired books anywhere within their own pages, nor can such a list be compiled by putting isolated verses together. (This would be the case: (a) if you could find verses like "Esther is the Word of God," "This Gospel is inspired by God," "The Second Letter of Peter is inspired Scripture," etc., for all of the 66 books; and (b) if you could also find a Biblical passage stating that no books other than these 66 were to be held as inspired. Obviously, nobody could even pretend to find all this information about the canon of Scripture in the Bible itself.)

5. It follows that Proposition B—the very foundation of all Protestant Christianity—is neither found in Scripture nor can be deduced from Scripture in any way. Since the 66 books are not even identified in Scripture, much less can any further information about them (e.g., that all revealed truth is contained in them) be found there. In short, we must affirm Proposition C: "Proposition B is an addition to the 66 books. "

6. It follows immediately from the truth of Proposition C that Proposition B cannot itself be revealed truth. To assert that it is would involve a self-contradictory statement: "All revealed truth is to be found in the 66 books, but this revealed truth itself is not found there."

7. Could it be the case that Proposition B is true, but is not revealed truth? If that is the case, then it must be either something which can be deduced from revealed truth or something which natural human reason alone can discover, without any help from revelation. The first possibility is ruled out because, as we saw in steps 4 and 5, B cannot be deduced from Scripture, and to postulate some other revealed extra-Scriptural premise from which B might be deduced would contradict B itself. The second possibility involves no self-contradiction, but it is factually preposterous, and I doubt whether any Protestant has seriously tried to defend it—least of all those traditional Protestants who strongly emphasize the corruption of man’s natural intellectual powers as a result of the Fall. Human reason might well be able to conclude prudently and responsibly that an authority which itself claimed to possess the totality of revealed truth was in fact justified in making that claim, provided that this authority backed up the claim by some very striking evidence. (Catholics, in fact, believe that their Church is precisely such an authority.) But how could reason alone reach that same well-founded certitude about a collection of 66 books which do not even lay claim to what is attributed to them? (The point is reinforced when we remember that those who attribute the totality of revealed truth to the 66 books, namely Protestant Church members, are very ready to acknowledge their own fallibility—whether individually or collectively—in matters of religious doctrine. All Protestant Churches deny their own infallibility as much as they deny the Pope’s.)

8. Since Proposition B is not revealed truth, nor a truth which can be deduced from revelation, nor a naturally-knowable truth, it is not true at all. Therefore, the basic doctrine for which the Reformers fought is simply false.

CALVIN’S ATTEMPTED SOLUTION

How did the Reformers try to cope with this fundamental weakness in the logical structure of their own first principles? John Calvin, usually credited with being the most systematic and coherent thinker of the Reformation, tried to justify belief in the divine authorship of the 66 books by dogmatically postulating a direct communication of this knowledge from God to the individual believer. Calvin makes it clear that in saying Scripture is "self-authenticated," he does not mean to be taken literally and absolutely. He does not mean that some Bible text or other affirms that the 66 books, and they alone, are divinely inspired. As we observed in step 4 above, nobody ever could claim anything so patently false. Calvin simply means that no extra-Biblical human testimony, such as that of Church tradition, is needed in order for individuals to know that these books are inspired. We can summarize his view as Proposition D: "The Holy Spirit teaches Christians individually, by a direct inward testimony, that the 66 books are inspired by God. "

The trouble is that the Holy Spirit Himself is an extra-Biblical authority as much as a Pope or Council. The third Person of the Trinity is clearly not identical with the truths He has expressed, through human authors, in the Bible. It follows that even if Calvin’s Proposition D is true, it contradicts Proposition B, for "if all revealed truth is to be found in the 66 books," then that leaves no room for the Holy Spirit to reveal directly and non-verbally one truth which cannot be found in any passage of those books, namely, the fact that each one of them is inspired.

In any case, even if Calvin could somehow show that D did not itself contradict B, he would still not have succeeded in showing that B is true. Even if we were to accept the extremely implausible view represented by Proposition D, that would not prove that no other writings are inspired, and much less would it prove that there are no revealed truths that come to us through tradition rather than through inspired writings. In short, Calvin’s defense of Biblical inspiration in no way overthrows our eight-step disproof of the sola Scriptura principle. Indeed, it does not even attempt to establish that principle as a whole, but only one aspect of it—that is, which books are to be understood by the term "Scriptura."

The schizoid history of Protestantism itself bears witness to the original inner contradiction which marked its conception and birth. Conservative Protestants have maintained the original insistence on the Bible as the unique infallible source of revealed truth, at the price of logical incoherence. Liberals on the other hand have escaped the incoherence while maintaining the claim to "private interpretation" over against that of Popes and Councils, but at the price of abandoning the Reformers’ insistence on an infallible Bible. They thereby effectively replace revealed truth by human opinion, and faith by an autonomous reason. Thus, in the liberal/evangelical split within Protestantism since the 18th century, we see both sides teaching radically opposed doctrines, even while each claims to be the authentic heir of the Reformation. The irony is that both sides are right: their conflicting beliefs are simply the two horns of a dilemma, which has been tearing at the inner fabric of Protestantism ever since its turbulent beginnings.

Reflections such as these from a Catholic onlooker may seem a little hard or unyielding to some—ill-suited, perhaps, to a climate of ecumenical dialogue in which gentle suggestion, rather than blunt affirmation, is the preferred mode of discourse. But logic is of its very nature hard and unyielding; and insofar as truth and honesty are to be the hallmarks of true ecumenism, the claims of logic will have to be squarely faced, not politely avoided.

 

Fr. Brian Harrison is currently teaching at the Pontifical University of Puerto Rico in Ponce.


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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I say again . . .

Nutty RC edifice cult reps

CANNOT AUTHENTICALLY

sing the precious hymn with the line . . .

ALL PRAISE TO JESUS CHRIST ALONE

. . .

Methinks God is not very impressed with doubleminded “praise.”


501 posted on 03/26/2008 10:09:34 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

“I say again . . .

Nutty RC edifice cult reps

CANNOT AUTHENTICALLY”

Writing childish insults over and over again does not make it true. Nor does writing things real big or in caps lol.


502 posted on 03/26/2008 10:16:54 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: rbmillerjr

I guess you’ve forgotten . . .

“nutty cult” I got from one of your fiercest own.

LOL.

I guess the shoe is not so comfortable on the other foot.

Tough tacos.

The nutty RC cult edifice made so much of the bed . . . they can learn to lie in it.


503 posted on 03/26/2008 10:20:06 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

“Tough tacos.
The nutty RC cult edifice made so much of the bed . . . they can learn to lie in it.”

More evidence of your advanced theology lol.
“...when I was a child, I spake as a child..”


504 posted on 03/26/2008 10:24:54 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: rbmillerjr; Petronski; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock

“John 6:53-58, 66-67 (Read the Word of Jesus Christ)
“So Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him”

“Could it be stated more clearly than this by Christ?...”

Great, now how soon after making this statement did Jesus make it so the audience could literally, “eat his flesh...and drink his blood”? This discourse took place a good year before the last supper so when was this flesh eating and blood drinking to take place since it was of eternal importance?

At the last supper, Jesus ate the bread and drank the wine after blessing them, did he eat his own flesh or drink his own blood? Just when did this common meal take on the mystical element since Jesus seems to say in John 6 that the participation in the meal was supposed to be taking place at that time?


505 posted on 03/26/2008 10:28:31 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: rbmillerjr

Thanks for adding points to my Heavenly account with the personal assault.

Much appreciated.


506 posted on 03/26/2008 10:32:11 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: rbmillerjr; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; blue-duncan; Lord_Calvinus; Forest Keeper; ...
don't knock Calvin. He actually believed in the Eucharist. "So great a Mystery, I cannot speak of it"

ROTFLOL!

Gosh, I PRAY you read some Calvin and learn about what he said concerning the Lord's Supper and how Rome destroys its meaning and turns the grace of God into a vile ceremony of pure pagan mysticism.

HEADS OF AGREEMENT ON THE LORD'S SUPPER
by John Calvin

24. Transubstantiation and other Follies

In this way are refuted not only the fiction of the Papists concerning transubstantiation, but all the gross figments and futile quibbles which either derogate from his celestial glory or are in some degree repugnant to the reality of his human nature. For we deem it no less absurd to place Christ under the bread or couple him with the bread, than to transubstantiate the bread into his body.

25. The Body of Christ Locally in Heaven

And that no ambiguity may remain when we say that Christ is to be sought in heaven, the expression implies and is understood by us to intimate distance of place. For though philosophically speaking there is no place above the skies, yet as the body of Christ, bearing the nature and mode of a human body, is finite and is contained in heaven as its place, it is necessarily as distant from us in point of space as heaven is from earth.

26. Christ Not to be Adored in the Bread

If it is not lawful to affix Christ in our imagination to the bread and the wine, much less is it lawful to worship him in the bread. For although the bread is held forth to us as a symbol and pledge of the communion which we have with Christ, yet as it is a sign and not the thing itself, and has not the thing either included in it or fixed to it, those who turn their minds towards it, with the view of worshipping Christ, make an idol of it.

Rome's tendancy is to "make an idol" out of everything.

There's LOTS more by Calvin on the Lord's Supper and the pagan error of Rome. If you'd like me to post it, just hollar. In part, the greatness of Calvin was due to the fact he wasn't some cloistered monk chained to the decaying foibles of Rome; he was a lawyer and he knew how to put forth a logical argument from the evidence found in Scripture.

And as for your earlier question, when Jesus said "eat of this, my body," was He still standing in front of the apostles? Yes, he was. Therefore the bread and wine He consecrated were not His ACTUAL blood and body, but a spiritual representation of the actual sacrifice He was about to make on our behalf on the cross.

Christ said He was the Good Shepherd and we are His sheep. Are you covered in wool and do you walk on four legs? Are you an actual lamb, or a spiritual lamb?

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." -- John 6:63

Rome has always had a difficult time differentiating between the temporal and the spiritual. Rome most often errs on the side of the temporal. Resist that failing, and know your salvation has been accomplished by Christ alone and is spiritually-discerned by the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

If God so wills.

507 posted on 03/26/2008 10:34:27 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Gosh, I PRAY you read some Calvin and learn about what he said concerning the Lord's Supper and how Rome destroys its meaning and turns the grace of God into a vile ceremony of pure pagan mysticism.

Why would someone make our Lord Jesus Christ a liar, and mock His request, His invitation, His gift to us?

One would think poor Jean Cauvin was playing for the opposing team.

508 posted on 03/26/2008 10:37:47 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Quix
Yep. Let us hope God gives them ears to hear the words, and a new heart and a renewed mind to know their meaning -- "All praise to Jesus Christ alone."
509 posted on 03/26/2008 10:37:58 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix

lol.


510 posted on 03/26/2008 10:38:42 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
HEADS OF AGREEMENT ON THE LORD'S SUPPER
by John Calvin





Traditions of Men

511 posted on 03/26/2008 10:38:53 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Let us hope God gives them ears to hear the words, and a new heart and a renewed mind to know their meaning -- "All praise to Jesus Christ alone."

And yet you follow the instruction of Jean Cauvin and the Roman Catholic Church follows the instructions of Christ at the Last Supper.

Sometimes irony can be so ironic!

512 posted on 03/26/2008 10:41:27 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: blue-duncan
now how soon after making this statement did Jesus make it so the audience could literally, "eat his flesh...and drink his blood"? This discourse took place a good year before the last supper so when was this flesh eating and blood drinking to take place since it was of eternal importance?

At the last supper, Jesus ate the bread and drank the wine after blessing them, did he eat his own flesh or drink his own blood? Just when did this common meal take on the mystical element since Jesus seems to say in John 6 that the participation in the meal was supposed to be taking place at that time?

Ah, the sweet logic of the quickened mind.

513 posted on 03/26/2008 10:41:49 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

INDEED. Thx.


514 posted on 03/26/2008 10:41:58 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: blue-duncan

John 6:53-58, 66-67 (Read the Word of Jesus Christ)
“So Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him.

” This discourse took place a good year before the last supper so when was this flesh eating and blood drinking to take place since it was of eternal importance?”

You have no debate with me. You debate Christ himself. It is a mystery, but it is clear that Chris did not say, “do this as a symbol to remember me” at the Last Supper, he requests that we do it. If you believe that Jesus didn’t mean what he said, that is up to you.

“At the last supper, Jesus ate the bread and drank the wine after blessing them, did he eat his own flesh or drink his own blood?”

Clearly.

” Just when did this common meal take on the mystical element”

It was no common meal. It was Christ’s last meal with His Apostles. He tells them of his fate, and requests that they eat and drink Him, the Body of Christ, in remembrance of Him....a common meal eh?


515 posted on 03/26/2008 10:42:32 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: rbmillerjr
Think about this quote we've just been offered: "Jesus Christ alone." [Emphasis added by original poster.]

Is it Sola Christus or sola scriptura?

516 posted on 03/26/2008 10:43:50 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Gosh, I PRAY you read some Calvin and learn about what he said concerning the Lord’s Supper and how Rome destroys its meaning and turns the grace of God into a vile ceremony of pure pagan mysticism.”

Calvin did indeed believe in the Eucharist at one point. When he was pulled away from Christ’s Church, he then developed HIS OWN rules, throwing Christ’s aside.

If you wish to read and take Calvin’s word over the Word of Christ, that is on you Doc.


517 posted on 03/26/2008 10:46:57 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: rbmillerjr
If you wish to read and take Calvin’s word over the Word of Christ, that is on you Doc.

So maybe it's really Sola Christus or Sola Cauvinus.

I think I'll pass on the egotistical French lawyer and stick with our Lord and Savior.

518 posted on 03/26/2008 10:50:05 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Petronski

“Is it Sola Christus or sola scriptura?”

Apparently it is both lol, with the exemptions so put forth by Joseph Smith....errr a Calvin.


519 posted on 03/26/2008 10:51:09 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: rbmillerjr
It's amazing how that Tradition of Men known as sola scriptura is tossed overboard at the one moment it would be most useful: the very words of Christ Himself.
520 posted on 03/26/2008 10:53:08 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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