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LOGIC AND THE FOUNDATIONS OF PROTESTANTISM
The Coming Home Network ^ | Brian W. Harrison

Posted on 03/24/2008 3:36:37 PM PDT by annalex

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To: Alex Murphy
Obey the Ten Commandments for Everlasting Life

This is quite scriptural, like it or not, unlike the "confusion of law and Gospel" bugaboo that Luther invented from thin air.

201 posted on 03/25/2008 10:27:37 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Gamecock

The Holy Spirit worked through the the apostles and bishops of the Church, and the Holy Scripture resulted.


202 posted on 03/25/2008 10:30:15 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Alex Murphy

So you withdraw your original offer to swap pings? How come?


203 posted on 03/25/2008 10:31:22 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Always Right
Luther kept all the books

Well, technically you are right, but it was Luther who put the Protestant scripture-obfuscation machine in motion.

204 posted on 03/25/2008 10:33:08 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: dan1123
...starting from the assumption of a perfect human “church” organization existing in the first place is just asking for trouble.

Just think what trouble is brewed, when you add the assumption of a shared "universal wisdom", one untouched by the Fall and Sin (and one that Protestants must therefore somehow be suppressing in themselves and others), to that cauldron.

205 posted on 03/25/2008 10:34:03 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: dan1123
parses words and is fast and loose with propositions

Where does the author do that?

206 posted on 03/25/2008 10:34:14 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; Religion Moderator
I said do not ping me again.
207 posted on 03/25/2008 10:34:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Ottofire; Quix; Alamo-Girl; blue-duncan; wmfights
Did the Holy Spirit produce a biblical ID (whatever it might be) when it allegedly advised Rev. Calvin, who disagreed with Luther, who disagreed with the 1500 years of the Church?

There are some very clear messages in scripture and then there are some not so clear messages. Some have a better handle on what those messages are than others.

If the Holy Spirit authenticates any scriptural interpretation, then it is by this very fact is an extra-scriptural authority.

Calvin's argument (among other things) is that even the most basic Christian understands and accepts the word of God as truth. You don't need "extra-scriptural" authority to tell you so. Forgive my anecdotal experience but I remember when I became a Christian, the very first thing I confronted was the authenticity of the virgin birth (by the pastor's wife no less). I just simply pointed to the scriptures and said, "There it is." I didn't need to ask what did the early church fathers have to say about the matter. It is rather obvious. Was it heresy that I could interpret the virgin birth as being true simply by reading the scriptures? I don't need someone telling me the Bible is true. I know it's true because the Holy Spirit bears witness to it being true. That doesn't mean I understand everything. It simply means that I know it's true.

Where extra-authority helps is in passages that one lack the historical perspective on. In these cases one simply read what the person has to say and then search the scriptures to see if these things are so. The only difference between Catholics and Protestants is that Catholics form a committee to decide; Protestants feel that God will work His will to guide people to the truth.

208 posted on 03/25/2008 10:35:08 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Peter is saying our guide is the word handed down by the prophets, our Lord, and the apostles. There is nothing to avoid.

Then where is the mention of Korah whom i've referred to three times now?

209 posted on 03/25/2008 10:35:41 AM PDT by papertyger (changing words quickly metastasizes into changing facts -- Ann Coulter)
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To: Alex Murphy; Religion Moderator

I will not ping you to articles; however, if someone makes a post to which you are pinged, I will respond to the entire visible portion of the ping list, and that will include you. I also reserve the right to respond to any of your posts. You are, of course, free to ignore any pings.


210 posted on 03/25/2008 10:38:37 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Well, technically you are right, but it was Luther who put the Protestant scripture-obfuscation machine in motion.

Since the Jews had changed their canon, it was a logical approach.

211 posted on 03/25/2008 10:40:56 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Ottofire; Quix; Alamo-Girl; blue-duncan; wmfights
There is no argument that some of the scripture is self-evident, but evidently it is not sufficiently self evident to prevent what was the fervent prayer of Christ, that we all be one.

The Catholic Church is a divine insitution established by Christ in one of those self-evident scriptural passages, and not a "committee".

212 posted on 03/25/2008 10:41:22 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Where does the author do that?

Here are a couple of places:

The Reformers asserted Proposition A: "All revealed truth is to be found in the inspired Scriptures." However, this is quite useless unless we know which books are meant by the "inspired Scriptures."

"if all revealed truth is to be found in the 66 books," then that leaves no room for the Holy Spirit to reveal directly and non-verbally one truth which cannot be found in any passage of those books,

Very rigid interpretations taken to extremes. This is not logic, but it might work as lawyering. Of course, tbe Bible isn't a modern legal document (thankfully) meant to withstand this kind of lawyering.

213 posted on 03/25/2008 10:42:57 AM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: Religion Moderator
I will not ping you to articles; however, if someone makes a post to which you are pinged, I will respond to the entire visible portion of the ping list, and that will include you. I also reserve the right to respond to any of your posts. You are, of course, free to ignore any pings.

Religion Moderator, please note that I have now made three requests for this individual not to ping me, under any circumstances, to threads or posts again.

214 posted on 03/25/2008 10:43:15 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: Always Right

The Jews changed their canon at Jamnia in 90AD. The Church was well aware of that at the time; in fact, it was the Hebrew council that separated Christianity from Judaism. Luther came up with his fantasies 14+ centuries later.


215 posted on 03/25/2008 10:43:43 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: dan1123

A book is either inspired or not. That may be “rigid” but them’s the facts.


216 posted on 03/25/2008 10:45:42 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

While Catholics, on the other hand, continually come up with new fantasies.


217 posted on 03/25/2008 10:45:54 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Alex Murphy; Religion Moderator

Moderator, we need a clarification here. I will remove Alex from my ping list, but he cannot demand that I never post to him, and it is onerous to pick out his name when repsonding to list-addressed posts.


218 posted on 03/25/2008 10:48:04 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Always Right

I will be happy to address any doctrine of the Catholic Church, including those that were late in formulation, on a thread where it would be on topic. This one happens to be a criticism of the sola scriptura superstition.


219 posted on 03/25/2008 10:49:56 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
A book is either inspired or not. That may be “rigid” but them’s the facts.

I'm not talking about his abuse of the word "inspired", but the abuse of the word "all". Making a very narrow definition of exclusivity with the word "all" is great for lawyering, but an invalid use of logic.

220 posted on 03/25/2008 10:51:15 AM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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