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To: Harrymehome
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. Judged and if found guilty of not obeying the law of the Big 10, you pay the price.

Again, I know we will be judged by the 10 Commandments. the Law. For the sake of argument, I'll concede your point regarding the ordinance section of Romans/Gal being about the land covenant.

With these concessions, how then does one receive salvation via the Law? James is specific. As no one save Christ has kept the 10 Commandment/Law, there must be a repentance and forgiveness factor somewhere. In whom is it to be found? If it is in Jesus (which is what I believe) then the Redeemer of the Law is the Author of it. John 8:58. If one accepts that passage, the logical extension is obvious.

Further, IAW, John 5:21-22 Jesus will be our judge. What does He say about salvation? That is what is important to me. Since I have violated the Law, confessed and received forgiveness, but will violate it again for sure, the only hope in the Law is that I hope I won't die prior to the confession of that next particular sin. That isn't the way God intended for us to live.

I contend we live by Grace, freely given, by Grace Christ has authored our Faith (Heb 12:2), through the work of the Holy Spirit, we can do good works (fruits of the Spirit) which reflect the hope within us. All of this is freely given by God to those who believe. It doesn’t give us sway to violate the Law at will, if anything we feel compelled to follow the Lord’s instruction because of the saving work of the Holy Spirit. It is by their fruits that ye shall know them, but not the fruits of my will, God’s will. The free will argument notwithstanding, to me it is obvious that God is responsible for all of it.

I will be out the rest of the day.

175 posted on 03/21/2008 2:55:14 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

I must say that you have summed it up very well.
In regards to :

That isn’t the way God intended for us to live.

He knows our trials and tribulations and the sincerity of our daily prayers in asking for forgiveness of our sins. I remember when the apostles asked Yeshua about how they should pray. And he recited the “Lord’s Prayer”.

In reference to your post 160; I have gone over Romans again. There is sufficient evidence, I find, to say that yes Abraham was considered righteous and justified for only his faith and not any past or present sins. So it is in the New Testament. To become part of the plan of salvation , which means to become an adopted heir and have a right to the Kingdom of the Abrahamic land covenant, one only need have to accept the same concept of “righteousness by faith”, regardless if one is in a state of sin at the time. His sins will be oblilerated. Yeshua died not only for the transgressions of our fathers (2Kings 16-23), who were under the curse of the law and as a result of sin were dispersed to all nations of the world, but for the same sins which were imputed to their descendants. Up to the time of Yeshua, there was no way to return to lost promises of the land covenant. They had lost the inheritance. Yeshua provided the means of salvation or method to return to the lost inheritance. During the life of Yeshua and after his death, any one who accepted and currently accepts Yeshua as Redeemer from the curses of the law, and the sins of the fathers imputed to the then and future descendants of the fathers, as well as the Gentiles, falls under the “righteousness by faith” concept and are justified the same as Abraham was justified. At that instant, a person’s past sins are forgotten and he becomes an adopted heir, whether physically circumcised (Israelite) or not (Gentile), in the future Kingdom according to the promise of the New Covenant (Jer 31:29-34; Heb 8:6-13). Another way of saying it is, his faith (belief that Yeshua’s death has erased all his past sins and he is now justified to enter in the Kingdom of the land covenant) gives him access to grace (Rom 5:2). Now that he is under grace, he is no longer under the law and it curse (Deut 28:15 on down) from which we were redeemed (Gal 3:13) by Yeshua. Also, it is not a license to return to sin (Romans 6:1,2). Yeshua demonstrates this concept very clearly when he said, go and sin no more in John 5:14; 8:11. However, as Paul speaks of the carnal, sinful nature of man, if one should fall from grace due to sin, he currently has a Mediator with the Father who stands up for him (Heb 9:23,24) if he truly repents (Matt 9:13). When Yeshua returns a 2nd time to reign on earth as King (Rev 5:10) in his inherited Kingdom, he also comes back as Judge. He will judge the then living and also the dead according to the Big 10 (James 2:12).

No one fully understands Hashem’s way of thinking or judging, but from Scripture, it does seem he is merciful and gives preferential treatment to some and not to others as you posted in Romans 9. It seems he uses or calls certain people in order to accomplish a certain end result that will demonstrate that he is the one that is running the show. Romans 9:11,12,17,20,21, etc. the whole chapter is really a good study.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH


176 posted on 03/22/2008 5:00:44 PM PDT by Harrymehome
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