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To: xone

You post:
“everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

It says through his name. He will judge. Interesting. Why is it then when we pray, we are supposed to pray to the Father. We are are then supposed to end the prayer in the name of Yeshua? I am not sure that is Biblical? I am glad you bring that to my attention. Good point.

Bless you in your search for TRUTH


153 posted on 03/20/2008 6:30:11 AM PDT by Harrymehome
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To: Harrymehome

I suppose that I should have started this dialogue with whether you use the Apostle’s or Nicene creed in your worship. Do you? If not worshipping in a church environment do they reflect your view?


155 posted on 03/20/2008 7:10:38 AM PDT by xone
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To: Harrymehome
not Yeshua as you say, forgives the transgression

Jesus forgiving sins:

Matt 9:

2Some men brought to him a paralytic, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven."

Luke 5:

20When Jesus saw their faith, he said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven."

Luke 7:

48Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."

159 posted on 03/20/2008 3:10:59 PM PDT by xone
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To: Harrymehome
Had to go one more time after my 'pre-pagan' holiday workup.

On Jesus: You've warned me a couple of times (despite my protestations to the contrary)about the judgement effects of the 10 Commandments. Sinners will be judged by the Law.

You called Jesus a 'mediator' which He is but He is alot more than that. I only bring this up because I had been posting to another 'non-pagan' festival dude who had some crazy ideas regarding Jesus. If you aren't afflicted that way, they are still good passages.

John 17:

Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him

Romans 9:

5Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen

John 5:

21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

This should interest you since you use Yashua for Jesus...perhaps you might want to use something else as well

John 8:

58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

Two separate verses presented together but with different speakers, I know you know what Alpha and Omega means.

Rev 1: 8"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Jesus speaking again:

Rev 22:

13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Redemption, Justification, Salvation it is really ALL Jesus.

Faith vs. works

I'm sure Jesus and James are in agreement

Luke 7:

47Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little." 48Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven." 49The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?" 50Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

if you’re foolish enough to believe that Hashem doesn’t give everyone freedom of choice

Everybody might be a stretch, also another look at works for salvation

Rom 9:

11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

And finally while we are on Paul, we know what his 'free' will had been until now

Acts 9:

3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"

5"Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked.

"I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied. 6"Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do

Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,

167 posted on 03/20/2008 9:29:46 PM PDT by xone
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To: Harrymehome
Had to go one more time after my 'pre-pagan' holiday workup.

On Jesus: You've warned me a couple of times (despite my protestations to the contrary)about the judgement effects of the 10 Commandments. Sinners will be judged by the Law.

You called Jesus a 'mediator' which He is but He is alot more than that. I only bring this up because I had been posting to another 'non-pagan' festival dude who had some crazy ideas regarding Jesus. If you aren't afflicted that way, they are still good passages.

John 17:

Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him

Romans 9:

5Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen

John 5:

21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

This should interest you since you use Yashua for Jesus...perhaps you might want to use something else as well

John 8:

58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

Two separate verses presented together but with different speakers, I know you know what Alpha and Omega means.

Rev 1: 8"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Jesus speaking again:

Rev 22:

13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Redemption, Justification, Salvation it is really ALL Jesus.

Faith vs. works

I'm sure Jesus and James are in agreement

Luke 7:

47Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little." 48Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven." 49The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?" 50Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

if you’re foolish enough to believe that Hashem doesn’t give everyone freedom of choice

Everybody might be a stretch, also another look at works for salvation

Rom 9:

11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

And finally while we are on Paul, we know what his 'free' will had been until now

Acts 9:

3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"

5"Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked.

"I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied. 6"Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do

Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,

168 posted on 03/20/2008 9:30:52 PM PDT by xone
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