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To: xone

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The point being even the greatest men and women of the Bible FAILED to keep the commandments. I’m sure they usually tried to, but in the end they too failed.

Of course we all sin and transgress the law. There a major difference, however, between those who try to keep the law, even though they stumble and repent. And there are others, which you give the impression that you are one of this group, that just don’t care about the 10 commandments and feel that they, as you proclaim if I remember, are no longer valid and only faith saves. This is a major fault and is not Biblical teaching. Hashem knows the heart and only he determines whether you are sincerely trying to obey his Sabbath commandment and the all the rest, or if you’re using the “only faith saves” and “we’re now under grace” doctrines as a crutch to do whatever you so please and make void the law. Perhaps I need to remind you what Paul says concerning this type of logic. By the way, when he says “under the law” he is not directly referring to the 10 commandment law. He is refering to the law of ordinances contained in curses (Torah). See Deut. 28:15, etc. and Galations 3:13.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

As these verses clearly show, I hope you don’t ignore them, the death of Yeshua (as you seem to believe when you say “On the contrary, I know the consequences of sin, violation of the Law. It is death. .. Jesus defeated death for once for all and paid the penalty for sin for once for all,” does not allow you to break his 10 commandments which is the definition of sin. Unless you prefer eternal death. If Yeshua defeated death, then why does Paul in Rom 6:15 that “God forbid” that we sin which is commandment breaking. Who is right you or Paul? Show me one verse that says I’m free to sin because Yeshua died and “paid the penalty for sin for once for all”. That is not Biblical. I’de like for you to show me the exact verse that says that. It is false doctrine and contrary to Scripture. The verse does not exist. The word penalty doesn’t even exists in the King James New Testament.

I’ve noticed for the 2nd time, you seem to totally and deliberately ignore Scriptures, that I’ve presented. Before going any farther, what does this verse, which I’m repeating, mean to you in simple terms?

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH.


107 posted on 03/16/2008 11:19:45 AM PDT by Harrymehome
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To: Harrymehome

‘And there are others, which you give the impression that you are one of this group, that just don’t care about the 10 commandments and feel that they, as you proclaim if I remember, are no longer valid and only faith saves. This is a major fault and is not Biblical teaching.’

I am sorry if I gave the impression that I don’t care about the Ten Commandments. I try, but recognize that I will fail. I am no longer under the curse of the Law because of my faith in Christ. Not something I earned, it was a gift.

‘Show me one verse that says I’m free to sin because Yeshua died and “paid the penalty for sin for once for all”.’

I can’t. Free to sin, nope. Going to sin yep. If you think you aren’t sinning you’re wrong.

‘Unless you prefer eternal death. If Yeshua defeated death, then why does Paul in Rom 6:15 that “God forbid” that we sin which is commandment breaking. Who is right you or Paul? ‘

Jesus hasn’t defeated death and the grave? Paul said paraphrasing “Should we sin so grace increases? God forbid.” Paul would agree with me, since I am in agreement with him.

‘Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.’

Exactly. Are you relying on your efforts to keep the Law for your salvation? Accept the gift.

‘Show me one verse that says I’m free to sin because Yeshua died and “paid the penalty for sin for once for all”. That is not Biblical.’

Free to sin? No. Show me the verse that shows you can keep the Law. Or that keepers of the Law receive salvation on their merit.

‘Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.’

It means that those who keep the Lord’s commandments are blessed, that they have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Christ kept the Law for me, as he did for you.

‘the 10 commandments and feel that they, as you proclaim if I remember, are no longer valid.’

No.

‘only faith saves’

Faith in Christ....absolutely yes.

Not one fully human person is in heaven because he kept the Law. Why? Because only Jesus kept the Law.


109 posted on 03/16/2008 12:11:39 PM PDT by xone
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To: Harrymehome

‘Perhaps I need to remind you what Paul says concerning this type of logic. By the way, when he says “under the law” he is not directly referring to the 10 commandment law.’

How about in Romans 3:20? Do you contend he is speaking of ‘man-made’ law there? We are made concious of sin through the law, sure sounds like he means the LAW as in the 10 Commandments.


112 posted on 03/17/2008 12:01:22 AM PDT by xone
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