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To: Appleby
It all makes perfect sense if deism is right, that God the clock-maker sets the universe in motion but then lets it run on its own. Once it's wound up, the clock-maker never has to mess with it again. It runs down on its own. It is not personal. It’s just an orderly mechanical type of thing.

Christians think God does intervene. There's a lot of irrationality in that because we can all clearly see big and small things every day that are worth intervention by God, things we ourselves would intervene in if granted the power to do so. Maybe Jessica Lunsford had to die for the greater good, but we as God could intervene and make it so she is shot in the head from behind before being buried in 3 trash bags, instead of letting her realize for probably hours that she was going to die by suffocation. We would have had her not be raped, even if she had to be buried alive. But, there was no intervention. No answered prayer. Probably because God took the phone off the hook, because that at least makes sense.

48 posted on 02/29/2008 11:32:57 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

I know plenty of people who feel the way you do — people whose lives have been hit hard by the unanswerable evil that humanity pours out upon itself. Since I’m not God, I have no answer to give you. Why don’t you ask God? And read C.S. Lewis’ book “A Grief Observed.” He kept a journal as his beloved wife died of cancer and of the feelings he had after her death, raw and unedited, until he became reconciled with the inevitable fact that everybody who is born has to die. (If you aren’t into religious books, I recommend the Star Trek episode “The City on the Edge of Forever” by Harlan Ellison.

I’ll pray for you too.


49 posted on 02/29/2008 11:57:52 AM PST by Appleby
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To: GraniteStateConservative

“Christians think God does intervene. There’s a lot of irrationality in that because we can all clearly see big and small things every day that are worth intervention by God, things we ourselves would intervene in if granted the power to do so.”

That doesn’t mean it’s irrational. It just means we don’t understand.

After all, it would be a pretty small and petty god that we could comprehend in totality, wouldn’t it? A God that is no wiser than we are?

Thomas Aquinas said, “Some there are who presume so far on their wits that they think themselves capable of measuring the whole nature of things by their intellect, in that they esteem all things true which they see, and false which they see not. Accordingly, in order that man’s mind might be freed from this presumption, and seek the truth humbly, it was necessary that certain things far surpassing his intellect should be proposed to man by God.”

Even more apropos, William L. Brown said, “The attempt to make God just in the eyes of sinful men will always lead to error.”

Hellen Keller communicated, “We could never learn to be brave and patient if there were only joy in the world.”

For us to become what God wants us to become, it is necesary that we live in a world where bad things happen to good people for no reason that we can discern. However bad those things are, though, how miniscule are they in comparison to eternity with God?


59 posted on 02/29/2008 2:18:52 PM PST by dsc
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