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To: sevenbak; Godzilla
If you knew about the LDS doctrine of the pre-existence...

Oh, really?

Apostle Orson Pratt taught that some people don't receive an "honourable body" because they sided with the Devil in a previous life:

At the time the devil was cast out of heaven, there were some spirits that did not know who had authority, whether God or the devil. They consequently did NOT TAKE A VERY ACTIVE PART ON EITHER SIDE, BUT RATHER THOUGHT THE DEVIL HAD BEEN ABUSED, AND CONSIDERED HE HAD RATHER THE BEST CLAIM TO THE GOVERNMENT. These spirits were not considered bad enough to be cast down to hell, and never have bodies; neither were they CONSIDERED WORTHY OF AN HONOURABLE BODY on this earth: but it came to pass that Ham, the son of Noah, saw the nakedness of his father while he lay drunk in his tent, and he with 'wicked joy,' ran like Rigdon, and made the wonderful disclosure to his brethren; while Shem and Japheth took a garment, with pity and compassion, laid it upon their shoulders—went backwards and covered their father,... The conduct of the former BROUGHT THE CURSE OF SLAVERY upon him, while that of the latter secured blessings, jurisdiction, power and dominion....Canaan, the son of Ham, received the curse; for Noah wished to place the curse as remote from himself as possible. He therefore placed it upon his grandson instead of his son. Now, it would seem cruel to force PURE celestial spirits into the world through the lineage of Canaan that had been cursed. This would be ill appropriate, putting the PRECIOUS and VILE together. But those spirits in heaven that rather LENT AN INFLUENCE to the DEVIL, thinking he had a little the best right to govern, but did not take a very active part any way were required to come into the world and take bodies information concerning the doctrine of pre-existence: “Is there reason then why the type of birth we receive in this life is not in the ACCURSED lineage of Canaan; and hence the NEGRO or African race.” (Speech of Elder Orson Hyde, delivered before the High Priests' Quorum, in Nauvoo. April 27th, 1845, printed in Liverpool, page 30)

As to the racism part, is it really necessary to post all those awful quotes from Mormon prophets?

1,275 posted on 02/28/2008 11:03:00 AM PST by pby
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To: pby; All
Sigh,

This is exactly what I mean. Even if both of these statements by McConckie or Pratt, if taken as doctrine, come nowhere close to saying that blacks were part of “Satan’s Army.” That is completely impossible in the realm of LDS thought. To be part of the 1/3 of the hosts of heaven that fought against God, means no body, no earthy life, period. Can you not see how you are manipulating and using ‘half truths’ to make your points?

This is why I lack the desire to debate you. It's one eternal round of chasing your tail.

Now, as to McConkie and Pratt, neither of these examples are LDS doctrine, in fact, McConkies book was pulled from further printings, pulled from teh shelves, and McConkie was reprimanded by the First Presidency for elements of his book, it is NOT Mormon doctrine, despite the name. That is McConkies book, not sanctioned by the LDS.

1,297 posted on 02/28/2008 1:56:20 PM PST by sevenbak (Shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. - 2 Timothy 2:16)
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