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To: r9etb; the_conscience
Jesus makes quite clear throughout the Gospels that, although God alone can grant eternal life, we nevertheless bear some responsibility for how we will be judged. Jesus says many times, in various ways, "you must do...." (The Sermon on the Mount is full of examples of this

The Beatitudes are clearly works-based salvational promise. Not even faith is involved. It's all mitzvah.

Does not Chirst say to the rich man to sell everything he has and follow Him? Where does Jesus of the Gospels teach Deformed Pauline theology of the Reformers that we are saved by grace alone? Where does the Old Testament teach that?

876 posted on 01/31/2008 7:59:22 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Where does the Old Testament teach that(grace alone)?

From beginning to end. Start with Paul's description of Abrahams faith in the book of Galations.

882 posted on 01/31/2008 8:24:56 PM PST by the_conscience (McCain/Thompson 08)
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To: kosta50; r9etb; the_conscience
“The Beatitudes are clearly works-based salvational promise. Not even faith is involved. It’s all mitzvah.”

The Beatitudes have nothing to do with “works-based salvation”, they are a description of the character of one who has inherited the “Kingdom of God”.

Ephesians 1:3-4,”Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.”

The attributes described in the Beatitudes are similar to what Paul calls the “fruit” of the Spirit. Fruit of the Spirit =Visible Growth in Jesus Christ. Galatians 5:22-23, they are: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance. These are not individual “fruits” from which we pick and choose. Rather, the fruit of the Spirit is one ninefold “fruit” that characterizes all who truly walk in the Holy Spirit. Collectively, these are the fruits that all Christians should be producing in their new lives with Jesus Christ. It is a physical manifestation of a Christian’s transformed life.

Does not Christ say to the rich man to sell everything he has and follow Him?

Look at the context of the teaching. The rich man has said he has fulfilled all of the law and Jesus does not dispute that. He has done all of the works of the law, but his problem was he was relying on them and his riches. Jesus is telling him not to rely on works or riches but trust in Jesus; sell all that you have been leaning on and trust in Me. That’s faith, not works.

Mark 10:17-27, “And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.”

No one is to know when one works the works of righteousness, not even the one doing them. So how then can one intentionally work for one’s salvation?

Mt 6:3, “But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:”

Jesus teaches that the works of righteousness are done intuitively by those who inherit the Kingdom, not intentionally to inherit the Kingdom.

Matt. 25:31-46, “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

Where does Jesus of the Gospels teach Deformed Pauline theology of the Reformers that we are saved by grace alone?

John 3, and especially 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

913 posted on 02/01/2008 7:30:03 AM PST by blue-duncan
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