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To: HarleyD
How interesting that you would agree with Mark that we are saved by our works. I would suggest the laundry list of scriptures presented are taken completely out of context. But, then again, I believe people are saved by the faith that comes from God.

Then unless you're God ... why are you wasting all this time saying the same things, thread after thread, trying to save folks through your works? What, precisely, is the point of your posting?

As it happens, Harley, you would have to ignore a number of Jesus' own comments concerning "works," and the salvific effects thereof. For example, Jesus says salvation requires certain works: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." (Mark 16:16) That's salvation by works: I must believe; and I must be baptized. The consequences of my not doing those things is condemnation.

And on the other side, we have Jesus saying "With man this [salvation] is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Matt. 19:26)

So unless Jesus was talking out of both sides of his mouth, you've got a problem. God's sovereign, we're responsible. Both backed by Scripture. What's in the middle ... it's a mystery.

To simply ignore what Jesus said in service of your own narrow (and logically pointless) theology is not a very impressive religion. In fact, it's downright silly to reject what Scripture plainly says, because you're afraid that it somehow makes God "less sovereign" if we have the ability to exercise any sort of free choice in our salvation.

In fact, if we're going to hold "idol-worshipers" up to scorn, perhaps we should reserve our scorn for "idol-worshipers" who place the purity of their ideology above all else.

830 posted on 01/31/2008 5:44:47 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb; HarleyD; Forest Keeper
why are you wasting all this time saying the same things, thread after thread, trying to save folks through your works?

You think to preach the Gospel is to waste time? You think to preach the Gospel is work?

It's only work if you expect to get rewarded for it.

Bible-believing Christians, however, know it is our God-given duty to preach the truth of Christ risen as Christ instructs and the Holy Spirit enables.

"So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do." -- Luke 17:10

834 posted on 01/31/2008 5:55:12 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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