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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper

“How about

“God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind” [Num 23:19] ?

How is it that when it suits us it means Jesus and at other times it means something else?”

How about the distinction between a title and a description?

“John is all over the place. This is one reason I believe the scribes who copied the original must have had a field day with it, adding and changing things around. It’s very possible that many of John’s verse are not even his. Otherwise, how can one explain contradictions by the same author (one chapter apart!): to wit John 3: 2 clearly suggests that Jesus baptized others. John 4:2 with equal clarity says that “Jesus baptized not”?”

Remember, the Gospel did not have chapters or verses, it was a narrative. If you notice there is an excursus beginning with verse 23 and running through the end of the chapter concerning John and his disciples. The discussion concerning Jesus coming to Judea with His disciples continues in Chapter 4:1 with the disclaimer in verse 2. Without the excurses the narrative would read “After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.”


6,798 posted on 08/01/2008 8:51:47 AM PDT by enat
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To: enat; Forest Keeper
How about the distinction between a title and a description?

In the Hebrew text there is no distinction made. He calls the man (male) and the "son of man" (human) on His right hand (not seated at His right side). There is no title there.

6,802 posted on 08/01/2008 1:02:52 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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