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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; ...
No star dust necessary, with God all things are possible

Then no Bible is needed either. :)

Only to the extent that what I say is God's truth. When I blow it, that's on me

I see, so God only leads you to a point, then when you start to stray He lets you fall?

But that doesn't count against your righteousness so it really doesn't matter, does it? You can do pretty much anything you want. God will let you (or so it seems you imply)!

Christ certainly didn't think so, in fact, He supported the OT, the scriptures, every jot and tittle

I believe the reference was to the "law and the prophets" which is identified in the NT as "love" and not as the OT.

BTW, I read somewhere that there are no jots and tittles in Greek so this must have been Jesus making an MT reference

It says in Mat 15:18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."

And on the Cross (John 19:30) Jesus is quoted as saying "it is accomplished" without heaven and earth passing away!

6,785 posted on 07/31/2008 11:29:44 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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FK: No star dust necessary, with God all things are possible.

Then no Bible is needed either. :)

Well, the Bible isn't a matter of necessity. It is a matter of God's choice and love for His children. God had no duty to reveal any of Himself to us.

I see, so God only leads you to a point, then when you start to stray He lets you fall?

He allows me to make mistakes with the idea that I will learn from them. He will not allow me to "fall" permanently.

But that doesn't count against your righteousness so it really doesn't matter, does it?

I don't have any righteousness of my own. Christ's righteousness, which cannot be tarnished, has been imputed to me.

You can do pretty much anything you want. God will let you (or so it seems you imply)!

God "lets" me do whatever is in accordance with (or within the boundaries of) His plan for me. That plan cannot include letting me sin such that I will lose my salvation. That's what the Bible says.

It says in Mat 15:18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." And on the Cross (John 19:30) Jesus is quoted as saying "it is accomplished" without heaven and earth passing away!

There is no contradiction here. Look at the construction. First, the parameter of the condition is set: the following will be true until Heaven and earth pass away. Next, the condition is set: nothing passes from the Law until all is accomplished. Finally, the condition is met: it is finished. Heaven and earth passing is not part of the condition, it is a parameter of how long it will be true that a specific result will happen if the condition is met. Here is a like example: "For truly I say to you, until the end of the session, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from this law (we'll say it's sunsetted like Bush's tax cuts) until a new bill is passed." Now say a new bill passes and is signed two months before the end of the session. All is well and there is no contradiction even though the session is still going.

Here is another example that applies the same principles. Let's say that you need your grass cut TODAY. So you come to me and say: "For the rest of the day I will give you $30 if you cut my grass". Now, if I show up tomorrow morning, mow your lawn and then knock on your door for the money you will rightfully tell me to take a hike. But let's say that right after you make your offer that I agree and mow the lawn right then, at 1:00. You then pay me as promised. All is well even though the day isn't nearly over yet.

6,812 posted on 08/02/2008 4:01:44 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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