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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights
Not only did John the Baptist specifically deny being the Messiah, but Jesus Himself said that no finer person (excluding Himself) has ever walked the earth. So, I would assume you might think those passages never happened either? If the message of Jesus was fundamentally different from John the Baptist's would not Jesus have condemned it, at least in His heart?

Jesus' movement separated from John the Baptist early on. John's followers to this day maintain that he was the true messiah. The Gospels try to correct this impression without making John an enemy of Christ. After all, John was one of those few people filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb.

Blessed John wasn't necessarily wrong, so there is no reason for Christ to condemn him. But, unlike Jesus, John preached angrily and violently. Jesus' message was fundamentally opposite of John's.

A warrior-king who would defeat Rome would not preach peace, loving your enemy, and forgiveness. That is how we perceive things to this day. That's how the Jews perceived thing then too.

Yet, when you think about it, it is the meek Jesus of Nazareth that did defeat Rome: not only did He defeat Rome, but He became the God of the Roman Empire and established His Church in Rome! It just didn't happen as the Jewish people wished it would, and it didn't happen when they wanted it to happen, but in due time, on God's time.

6,427 posted on 07/09/2008 9:07:09 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights

****It just didn’t happen as the Jewish people wished it would, and it didn’t happen when they wanted it to happen, but in due time, on God’s time.*****

You keep talking like that, and we’ll make a Calvinist out of you yet. :>)


6,428 posted on 07/09/2008 9:15:22 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights
Jesus' movement separated from John the Baptist early on. John's followers to this day maintain that he was the true messiah. The Gospels try to correct this impression without making John an enemy of Christ. After all, John was one of those few people filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb.

John even said he was not fit to tie Jesus' sandals. I give him a pass. Maybe Paul was thinking of these followers when he didn't want to baptize people.

But, unlike Jesus, John preached angrily and violently. Jesus' message was fundamentally opposite of John's.

That just can't be right, or Jesus would not have said what He said about John. Yes, their styles were very different, but the message was essentially the same. If John's message was opposite to that of Jesus, then it could not "have fulfilled all righteousness" for John to baptize Him. Jesus calls him MORE than a prophet (Matt. 11:9).

6,455 posted on 07/10/2008 4:29:54 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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