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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; savedbygrace
That is the mono-faceted, smaller, limited God and starts with the incorrect presupposition that the Gospels are the complete message and the rest of the Bible is fluff.

We (Orthodox and Catholics) are Christians; we believe in Christ. Where we can find Christ, based on the Gospels, we are sure it's God. God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are one and the same God as Christ. You cannot find Christ wihtout the Ftaher or without the Holy Spirit. And since Christ was observed and witnessed, the Gospels are our standard.

IOW, you have invented a rule of some kind that Christ's mission on earth was to show us everything that God wanted us to know. If that was really so, then He would have had no desire to tell others to know their OT scriptures

Well, if that is so, then I say the whole thing is invented! Everyone invented something. And what an invention it is! If we all lived according to it, what a wonderful world it would be, eve if it were only an invention!

Your rules are no more a fact than mine. Christ is the epitome of God's revelation, the apex of it, the complete and true revelation, and as such Christ, as witnessed represents the true God. Everything that doesn't conform to Christ is not Christian God, it's not Christianity. Logic, not an invention.

That's because you see Christ's singular mission on earth to be the sum of His being. I don't know why you believe that, but to believe it WOULD require throwing out the vast majority of scriptures.

The alternative is to make Christ something other than God, something lesser, which seems to be the underlying current in many so-called Christian groups outside the Apostolic Church.

6,337 posted on 06/28/2008 8:48:42 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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6,339 posted on 06/29/2008 5:08:00 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
You cannot find Christ without the Father or without the Holy Spirit. And since Christ was observed and witnessed, the Gospels are our standard.

I agree that you can't find one without the others, so you lose Christ when you dismiss the Father (and Christ) of the OT and the rest of the NT. The OT was mostly written by witnesses to the events too.

FK: That's because you see Christ's singular mission on earth to be the sum of His being. I don't know why you believe that, but to believe it WOULD require throwing out the vast majority of scriptures.

The alternative is to make Christ something other than God, something lesser, which seems to be the underlying current in many so-called Christian groups outside the Apostolic Church.

But the Apostolic Church condemns your personal view of the scriptures. The Apostolic Church holds that the scriptures are Holy, and you do not. Your true Bible is only a few pages long.

6,358 posted on 07/02/2008 1:58:15 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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