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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
Apples and oranges, the latter were not His children and He did not love them. The former were His beloved disciples. Jesus would not spiritually mislead His disciples as you suggest that He did

Christ teaches us to love our enemies, yet He hates His?

And what about Judah? Was he not deceived? And if he was, by whom? And if you tell me Satan, I ask you was Satan acting contrary to God's will?

That's easy, He has no duty to provide those things. He creates His creatures and then does what He wants with them.

That's what Zeus-like God would say, but that's not what Christ teaches.

I guess it's a good thing that Jesus knew His limits and didn't try to be more than He was

Well, it was part of His "plan," wasn't it? He could have just changed everyone's hearts and forgo crucifixion. Instead, chose to humble Himself and become man, He allowed Himself to be caught, tortured and executed, and He chose to die.

God defines what is morally right, not me. Besides, isn't the purchase of a child essentially what happens when Americans adopt overseas (at least in many cases)? The child is almost always better off here, so I don't necessarily throw rocks at that at all.

6,267 posted on 06/23/2008 6:44:57 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
Christ teaches us to love our enemies, yet He hates His?

Yes, God's only enemy is sin, embodied by satan. Remember, we are taught to love the person, but to HATE the sin. There IS a difference with us humans, but with satan it is one and the same. The love God has for His elect is an extraordinary type of love, the kind that saves. For comparative purposes we say that God does not love the non-elect, however, we all know that God gives "some" blessings/grace to all, the saved and the eternally lost. That is a "form" of love, but it is not "saving" love.

And what about Judah? Was he not deceived? And if he was, by whom? And if you tell me Satan, I ask you was Satan acting contrary to God's will?

The Bible says that Judas was deceived by satan, in fact satan entered into him. satan only acts according to his nature, pure evil. He doesn't obey anybody, he only does evil. God allowed him to do specific evil in specific places, and the final result, along with a million other occurrences, was the salvation of God's children. All of this was God's will.

6,296 posted on 06/24/2008 11:20:54 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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