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To: kosta50; aruanan; HarleyD; annalex; stfassisi
There was no redemption before Incarnation.

So much for God being outside of time, eh? :) And if no one was saved until Christ within time, then how do you explain Enoch and Elijah?

5,295 posted on 05/03/2008 12:06:31 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; aruanan; HarleyD; annalex; stfassisi
And if no one was saved until Christ within time, then how do you explain Enoch and Elijah?

You are spouting Jewish myths and legends, while dismissing the universal meaning of Christ's redemption.

Think about it: if people were saved before Christ's sacrifice, what does that make of His cross but a mockery. Then He is not the Savior of the world because some were "privileged" not to need Him.

That means some were not captives to death and are immortal; death had no grip on them. They didn't need to wait for Chirst to free the world from the chains of death.

The NT is confusing, if not outright contradicting regarding Elijah as being John the Forerunner (Baptist). In John 1:21 John the Baptist says that he is not Elijah.

But Mat 11:14 says "he is Elijah, the one who is to come" and Mat 17:13 leaves no doubt that he was Elijah "Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist."

As far as Enoch is concerned, where does the Old Testament say he never died? Gen 5:24 simply says (my emphasis) "Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away." Was no more?

It is only in Luke's Gospel that we see inference that he never "saw" death. This is based on Talmudic myth, not on Chirstian scriputres, unless the Reformed consider Talmud as scripture as well.

5,296 posted on 05/03/2008 1:43:12 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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