[Forest Keeper]

Your theology suggests that [Mary] had no will of her own. Even if she did say "Yes Sir," as you read it, it was still her decision. Otherwise what happened to her was rape. It seems, I am afraid, the Reformed theology would find that agreeable.

Well, then I suppose you would also consider the Immaculate Conception to be rape, perhaps double rape. (Was Anna ever asked? :) I suggest that Latins and Reformers would agree on the following words: "God pre-prepared Mary, without asking her, uniquely and apart from any other person, for her role in God's grand plan for the salvation of man." It sounds like the Orthodox would call this a supreme personal violation by God against a sovereign person.

[Just mythoughts]

Paul says there were some predestined to be chosen *before* the foundation of this world. The chosen are not necessarily those who most think they are.... So this brings forth the question what is it that those who *were* already chosen do, to receive this *election*? And when were the souls created, Moses does NOT describe the creation of the soul, what Moses says is that the dirt, clay, flesh being was NOT living until the 'breath of life' which means soul was breathed into that newly formed flesh being made in the image of the Heavenly Father. Also Adam first made, in the image of the Heavenly Father was placed into a deep sleep and a 'curve' removed from him to create woman.