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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I only offer John 3:16. It alone is sufficient.

Other’s seem to be doing a pretty good job supporting my interpretation of things with scripture, and with St. Thomas Aquinas, actually.

God does not set us up to fail. We are unworthy, every one of us. All are called, but few respond. Those few accept the perfect sacrifice of Christ and are saved.

How we come to Christ, or don’t come to Christ, is on each individual.

I read the Bible, each day, and to my children.

To teach my children that God has not put a heart in you that will make it such that they will find Christ is beyond any abuse I can think of inflicting on them. Maybe Christ will grab you by the throat, carve out your heart of stone, and put one of flesh in them that is receptive to His redemption - there’s no basis in scripture for that.

No one is beyond redemption prior to their death. To teach otherwise is heretical.


5,148 posted on 04/25/2008 2:13:14 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs; blue-duncan; Gamecock
To teach my children that God has not put a heart in you that will make it such that they will find Christ is beyond any abuse I can think of inflicting on them.

Then don't be so foolish as to teach them that. Teach them that God loves them because He has given His own Son to pay for their sins because God's "promise is to believers and their children."

Tell them God loves them so much He will bring them to Him, one way or another, and that He will never, ever let go of them.

Tell them that because God loves them they are precious in His sight and that they will believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior because God has numbered them among His family from before the foundation of the world.

Then leave the rest to God. Our job is to bring up children who kneel to none but Christ and who know their salvation is by Christ alone, confident that He loves those whom we love because God gave us our children in the first place.

Maybe Christ will grab you by the throat, carve out your heart of stone, and put one of flesh in them that is receptive to His redemption - there's no basis in scripture for that.

???

If you really think that, after I've given you Scripture for every word you just wrote, then I've done all I can to aid your vision. After all, it's God who gives eyes to see and ears to hear.

No one is beyond redemption prior to their death.

We don't know the names of the elect, so we judge men by their fruit.

But it's clear from Scripture that some men are "beyond redemption." Christ Himself said it would have been better for Judas never to have been born than for what awaited him, and that Christ knew from the beginning who would betray Him so that the Scriptures would be fulfilled.

Was there ever a chance Judas wouldn't betray Christ, the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?"

5,149 posted on 04/25/2008 3:12:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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