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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; HarleyD; wmfights; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; annalex; ...
Kosta: In your formula evil is part of God's creation because it happens.

Dr E: Your humanistic approach to life is showing. Is evil not part of God's creation?

No, it isn't.

Satan is a created being

God did not create him evil.

Apparently that's not how God wants His creation to exist, neither now nor from the beginning...Isa 45:5-8

Sounds positively Manichaen to me. It doesn't surprise me that all you can quote to support your view is the Old Testament. That's because God who creates evil is not to be found in Christ.

Rebellion is part of the human condition

Of the fallen human condition. Not of the created human condition.

and unless God takes us by the throat and removes our heart of stone and replaces it with a heart of flesh, unless God gives us new ears and new eyes, unless God graciously puts His Holy Spirit within us to renew our minds and cleanse our spirit, unless we are born again not by the will of men but by the will and purpose and predestined design of God, we will happily stay in our natural, God-denying state, to our everlasting demise

I don't see Christ doing any of this. You must know some other God.

5,135 posted on 04/25/2008 11:52:50 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

“I don’t see Christ doing any of this. You must know some other God.”

Bingo. This guy is talking about the doctrine of Election. He did it on another thread too.

His position: you aren’t saved unless you are chosen first - the saved and the condemned - chosen from before birth.

Then he stepped all over himself in contradictions. The guys is dangerous, and indeed, living in the OT.


5,136 posted on 04/25/2008 12:02:38 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; blue-duncan; irishtenor; Quix; Alamo-Girl; ...
God did not create him (Satan) evil.

Read the Bible, Kosta.

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." -- John 8:44

It doesn't surprise me that all you can quote to support your view is the Old Testament. That's because God who creates evil is not to be found in Christ.

So according to you, God changes His very essence from the Old to the New Testament. Do you have any Scripture that says God has changed? Because God doesn't change. God changes men.

DR.E: and unless God takes us by the throat and removes our heart of stone and replaces it with a heart of flesh, unless God gives us new ears and new eyes, unless God graciously puts His Holy Spirit within us to renew our minds and cleanse our spirit, unless we are born again not by the will of men but by the will and purpose and predestined design of God, we will happily stay in our natural, God-denying state, to our everlasting demise

KOSTA: I don't see Christ doing any of this.

Sadly, that becomes more obvious every day. Pray for eyes to see and God's gift of the Holy Spirit.

5,137 posted on 04/25/2008 12:30:21 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50
I don't see Christ doing any of this. You must know some other God.

Yes, the god Jean Cauvin created in his own dark image.

5,157 posted on 04/25/2008 4:53:00 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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