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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Rebellion is part of the human condition. It is in our DNA. We are disobedient by nature.”

That’s garbage.

We were created in the image of God, from the beginning. We would have remained as such if not Lucifer had taken a hand, and convinced Eve to disobey God.

Rebellion is not in our nature, but free will is in our nature. We were fearfully and wonderfully made, and we were known by God from before we were born. Made in His image.

We get to choose to love God.

God doesn’t whack us with the Holy Spirit, and then eventually we come to God. WE CHOOSE. God can intervene, but so can evil.

God has set the table with Christ’s sacrifice. If we accept this gift, we eat and live. If we don’t, then we are banished and die.

That simple. Nothing humanistic about it. God created free will too. Love isn’t love unless its freely given and freely accepted. The salvation of the Lord is the ultimate act of Love toward his human creation. Christ wasn’t compelled to give it, He gave His life freely. Those saved accept that salvation freely.


5,134 posted on 04/25/2008 10:56:11 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs; Dr. Eckleburg

“”We were created in the image of God, from the beginning. We would have remained as such if not Lucifer had taken a hand, and convinced Eve to disobey God.””

Exactly! God played no part in the Free decision in Satan’s pride or the Free decision in Adam and Eve’s fall

That in God there can be no Evil- From Thomas Aquinas

ESSENTIAL being, and essential goodness, and all other things that bear the name of ‘essential,’ contain no admixture of any foreign element; although a thing that is good may contain something else besides being and goodness, for there is nothing to prevent the subject of one perfection being the subject also of another. Everything is contained within the bounds of its essential idea in such sort as to render it incapable of containing within itself any foreign element. But God is goodness, not merely good. There cannot therefore be in Him anything that is not goodness, and so evil cannot be in Him at all.
3. As God is His own being, nothing can be said of God that signifies participation. If therefore evil could be predicated of Him, the predication would not signify participation, but essence. Now evil cannot be predicated of any being so as to be the essence of any: for to an essentially evil thing there would be wanting being, since being is good.* There cannot be any extraneous admixture in evil, as such, any more than in goodness. Evil therefore cannot be predicated of God.

5. A thing is perfect in so far as it is in actuality: therefore it will be imperfect inasmuch as it is failing in actuality. Evil therefore is either a privation, or includes a privation, or is nothing. But the subject of privation is potentiality; and that cannot be in God: therefore neither can evil.

This truth also Holy Scripture confirms, saying: God is light, and there is no darkness in Him, (I John i, 5) Far from God impiety, and iniquity from the Almighty (Job xxxiv, 10).


5,139 posted on 04/25/2008 12:39:04 PM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: RinaseaofDs
That's garbage. We were created in the image of God, from the beginning. We would have remained as such if not Lucifer had taken a hand, and convinced Eve to disobey God.

lol. You just contradicted yourself. We were created in the image of God, but as you rightly point out, things changed after the Fall.

Since the Fall...

"And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." -- John 6:65

Rebellion is not in our nature, but free will is in our nature.

Free will appears no where in the Bible. Unlike rebellion, which is made very clear to those with eyes to see...

"For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." -- Titus 3:3-7

I hope you're actually reading these verses. You don't seem to be able to offer any Scritpural rebuttal against what they tell us.

Love isn't love unless its freely given and freely accepted.

That is straight from Hallmark. That is not the love God has for His family which was declared by God from before the foundation of the world.

"Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." -- Jude 1:24-25

How does Christ "present us faultless before God?" By imputing His righteousness to us.

And you still have no response to Ephesians 1. That should tell you something. If you've read the Bible, it's been through the lens of men and not of the Holy Spirit.

5,141 posted on 04/25/2008 12:58:22 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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