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To: Forest Keeper; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis
But in this very post that I am responding to you are arguing that the only way we can know God personally is through the humanity of Christ

Christ was visible, tangible, physical Person among them and they knew Him as such. Only by becoming a man could God present Himself to us in such a way that we can relate to Him as human beings. When we think of God, when we visualize God, when we describe God, we can only do that through Christ. As Christ said to the disciples when they asked Him to show them the Father, paraphrasing "you have known me all along." In other words, take a good look, you are looking at the Father! And that's the only way you will ever know Him on earth.

we can know God personally is through the humanity of Christ, ........... WHICH YOU DENY He showed to those CLOSEST TO HIM on earth

I do not deny that He showed His humanity...He hungered, wept, and slept. He showed all the human characteristics of a human being. To the disciples, he was a human being by the name of Jesus, who was their teacher. That is the extent of their "personal" relationship with Him.

Obviously, Jesus socialized with those who were not His disciples, since He notes that they needed Him.

They needed Him as their physician, not their drinking buddy. To the bets of my knowledge, Jesus was not a drinking buddy with anyone.

No teacher-pupil relationship there

Vis-a vis His disciples, there was a strict teacher-pupil relationship.

Another example would be the wedding at Cana, as social an event as it gets. Do we suppose that Jesus went and just sat in a corner?

I have no clue, the Bible doesn't say what He did except order a miracle. Nothing personal there.

No, He was a guest and talked with people just like anyone else

Extra-Biblical beliefs?

And again, what do you suppose all the thousands of meals that Jesus shared with His disciples were like? Were they silent, or only filled with "shop-talk"?

Yes, just like the last supper and His whole ministry vis-a-vis His disciples, all His activities were lessons.

5,025 posted on 04/21/2008 7:42:33 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis
I do not deny that He showed His humanity...He hungered, wept, and slept. He showed all the human characteristics of a human being. To the disciples, he was a human being by the name of Jesus, who was their teacher. That is the extent of their "personal" relationship with Him.

Then John was having delusions of grandeur when he referred to himself several times as the "one Jesus loved"?

FK: "No, He was a guest [at the Cana wedding] and talked with people just like anyone else."

Extra-Biblical beliefs?

Sure. I also have the extra-Biblical belief that Jesus had bodily functions which are not specifically described in scripture. Your extra-Biblical belief is that Jesus had personal relationships with no one, including Mary, which the Bible in NO WAY says. So, readers can decide which is more reasonable. The weight of scripture is clear to me.

How can you venerate Mary if you think Jesus regarded her as you say? Do you appreciate something Jesus did not?

5,103 posted on 04/24/2008 6:36:21 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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