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To: HarleyD; stfassisi
Ah, and now we see how much the Catholic Church has moved away from original sin. In the first part man's nature was inclined towards sin. Now man must make the free choice to be with God or not with God. Doesn't this sound exactly like Pelagius error? It does to me. Either God saves you or you save yourself

No, because man needs grace and grace is obtained through Baptism. Grace restores us to the state where we are free to come to God. It was, indeed, impossible for anyone to come to God on his own until Christ's sacrifice on the Cross.

It is God who saves. But we must come to Him. He doesn't force us to sin and He doesn't force us to come to Him.

5,009 posted on 04/20/2008 7:14:46 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; stfassisi
No, because man needs grace and grace is obtained through Baptism. Grace restores us to the state where we are free to come to God.

Prove positive of purely Pelagius' postulation.

Say that three times.

If grace is obtained through Baptism, then man is the one who can decide on God's grace. Man is the driver.

5,060 posted on 04/22/2008 3:55:40 PM PDT by HarleyD
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