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To: kosta50
FK-””So, all men are evil when born””

Kosta-””Then all the infinats who die go to hell. They are already evil. By Reformed God's design, no doubt.

It's a satanic theology, FK, that teaches a “God” who creates people evil and says they are in his image.””

Yes ,it is satanic theology

FK, do you believe that there are babies in hell? If so, why and for what purpose? Perhaps to save the elect? Why?

Why would God offer human sacrifice of an innocent child to the devil?

John Calvin said "there are babies a span long in hell".

Do you actually believe this?

4,989 posted on 04/19/2008 8:22:58 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi; Forest Keeper
FK, do you believe that there are babies in hell? If so, why and for what purpose? Perhaps to save the elect? Why? Why would God offer human sacrifice of an innocent child to the devil?

Good question, Brother!

4,992 posted on 04/19/2008 9:27:21 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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To: stfassisi; kosta50; Forest Keeper
FK-””So, all men are evil when born””

Kosta-””Then all the infinats who die go to hell. They are already evil. By Reformed God's design, no doubt. It's a satanic theology, FK, that teaches a “God” who creates people evil and says they are in his image.””

stfassisi-Yes ,it is satanic theology

Well, I'd for one would be careful with that analysis. After all, FK is correct; all men are evil when born. And FK is also correct in that God deliberately and purposefully allowed the fall of man. To deny that is to deny God was powerless to stop Adam and Eve-another point FK made.

Kosta simply comes to the wrong conclusion that all infants who die go to hell. The fact is man is saved by faith through God's grace. It is impossible for us to know the faith of any man, including infants, save our own.

As far as John Calvin's comment "there are babies a span long in hell", I can find no reference to that in my search of his works. Actually, Calvin believed just the opposite if writings about his works are to be believed, that babies automatically go to heaven. This I believe is just as much of an error as saying all babies go to hell. We simply don't know and leave this to the divine wisdom of God who is the justifier of all men.

To deny original sin is simply not recognizing our own depravity. Remember, it was the Catholic Church that believed (at least at one time) in original sin. The Eastern Church never believed it. Arguing in support of the Orthodox position is simply to deny the original teachings of the Western Church.

4,995 posted on 04/20/2008 3:42:12 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: stfassisi; kosta50; HarleyD
FK, do you believe that there are babies in hell? If so, why and for what purpose? Perhaps to save the elect? Why?

I have no idea if there are babies in hell. I am perfectly comfortable with the idea that God spares abortion victims, miscarriages, etc., however, God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy. We can't know for certain who they are, as Harley said.

I have no idea what your inference is about babies in hell somehow helping to save the elect. I'll take that as simply gratuitous.

Why would God offer human sacrifice of an innocent child to the devil?

He wouldn't. I have no idea why you would ask or what connection you are attempting to draw with Reformed theology. There is none.

John Calvin said "there are babies a span long in hell". Do you actually believe this?

I don't know. I am with Harley in being unfamiliar with that particular quote. I would have to know the context before commenting further.

5,079 posted on 04/23/2008 1:09:02 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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