Then animals are "persons" as well.
No, the root word is "person", which excludes animals. I thought that much would be clear. :)
When did I state that God is irrational?
Many times, on this thread. But I didn't save them and am not inclined to go through 5,000 posts to find them. If you state that God is a rational Being now, I will take that henceforth. But if you do, then I don't see how you can continue to deny that God has a plan. Without a plan, i.e. without knowing what He wants to do within time, then His actions would be random, or, irrational.
His reasons are not our reasons any more than our reasons are reasons of an ant. To claim that God "makes sense" to us is to claim that we make sense to a flatworm, if that much.
OK, there it is. We were both right. What you really meant is that God is irrational TO US. A notion I completely disagree with, but I understand better where you are coming from.
He humbled Himself and became a flatworm so we could have a personal relationship with Him and know God through our eyes and ears and minds by seeing Him as one of us. Who can love an ineffable entity?
If that is all there is, then how do you explain that in the OT God spoke DIRECTLY and had real conversations with His prophets? Did all of those conversations never happen? ...... God reveals enough of Himself to us such that we are able to love Him.
Then animals are "persons" as well.
FK: No, the root word is "person", which excludes animals. I thought that much would be clear.
You said "'personal' means that which personality, distinguishable from others, has the ability to reaosn and love, and communicate with others." The animals don't have personalities that are distinguishable from others of their own kind, have ability to reason (primitive as it may seem to us, but pretty much close to a two-year old, and love and communicate with us in their own ways?
Perosnality is a visible aspect of one's character. The character being the traits. The root is the persona and not person.
Kosta: When did I state that God is irrational?
FK: Many times, on this thread
Oh?
Kosta: His reasons are not our reasons any more than our reasons are reasons of an ant. To claim that God "makes sense" to us is to claim that we make sense to a flatworm, if that much.
FK: OK, there it is. We were both right. What you really meant is that God is irrational TO US. A notion I completely disagree with, but I understand better where you are coming from.
Things can either be reasonable or unreasonable to us. They can eithe make sense or not make sense to us. Because out minds and languages are limited, we know that God, who is beyond everything, is also beyond our comprehension, which is what the Bible tells us when it says that God's ways and throughts are not ours.
Kosta: He humbled Himself and became a flatworm so we could have a personal relationship with Him and know God through our eyes and ears and minds by seeing Him as one of us. Who can love an ineffable entity?
FK: If that is all there is, then how do you explain that in the OT God spoke DIRECTLY and had real conversations with His prophets? Did all of those conversations never happen? ...... God reveals enough of Himself to us such that we are able to love Him.
I don't think the OT God had "conversations" with the prophets and patriarchs. It was more like ordering them to do this or that. Jews did not come to God because they loved him, but because they feared him! God had to prove to them that he is the Lord by showing them what he can do to those who don't obey him. In fact, the Jews took every opportunity to run away from their God. I mean, if you didn't listen to him to the tee, he cold turn you into a pillar of salt! Our knowledge of Christ is nothing like the knowledge of the God of the OT!