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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights
I disagree, and that's why I am not a big fan of St. Paul.

There are people who believe in gods and worship them with love (take Thailand for example) that rivals ours (which is mostly lip service anyway).

If everything is for the glory of God, then our fortune and misfortune demand equal praise and gratitude, whether it be the birth of our son or daugther or a premature death of a loved one, or losing all your fortune through Enron.

In fact, if we are to follow Reformed theology we would simply say about the unfortunate ones "too bad, they are where they are and what they are because God wanted them to be where they are and what they are."

Man instituded laws to gvie himself "rights." Not because man knows God.


4,876 posted on 04/10/2008 5:21:36 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights
Well, I can't help you there except to say the Orthodox Church looks upon his writings to be inspired by God.

The EOC would have to show me that all mankind knows one God. I take his statement to be an opinion, HD. The purpose of the messiah was to be make the God of Abraham known to the whole world. That doesn't jive very well with the idea that all mankind already knows the same God. 

If you are referring to Heb 8, where God says he will put the knowledge of him in everyone's heart, he was speaking of the Jews and not of all mankind, as is obvious from the context of the chapter.

And finally if all mankind knew the same one God then there would be no need to "teach and baptize."

According to Paul the reason is they know God but they don't wish to acknowledge Him as God.

Who has seen God? In that respect, what is the difference between one and many gods? They all require blind faith.

They'll get a block of wood, carve it into some likeness, cover it with gold and jewels, and then bow down to it. Pretty stupid but that is the way we are.

Well, we could also say, they write a book and say "it's the word of God," and everyone treats it as such. Pretty stupid but that's how we are.

Isn't that the lesson of Job? Naked came we into this world. Naked shall we leave. Bless be the name of the Lord.

My experience has been that most people talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Preaching and teaching one can make oneself as saintly as it gets. Trouble is, we don't live a saintly life. What we do doesn't match what me make ourselves to be in words. The only lesson from Job that I see worthy of mention is that the OT God made a deal with Satan to terrorize unnecessarily the only man on earth who was righteous, shunned all evil and feared God, and was blameless in God's eyes. Pretty sad.

I don't see too many Christians thanking the Lord when their loved ones die. They should be ecstatic knowing their loved ones are in heaven. And when someone is diagnosed with a terminal illness, who thanks God? And when someone is fired from the job and cannot feed his family, do they thank God? No, HD. They don't. They are not happy with their lot. They ask God to pull them out. They feel it is not "right" or "just" for good Christians to be stricken with illness or be fired from the job  because it feels bad.  No one is celebrating the bad things; but when things are going well, oh then we are blessed and thank God repeatedly because it feels good.

So, no matter how you turn it around, it is always man's measure of what is right and what is wrong and it defaults to that same "judgment" even an infant, even a flat worm, knows: feels good-feels bad.

Sorry, life isn't full of equality. God never told the Egyptians to put lamb's blood on the door post the night the angel of death passed through.

Setting aside the ridiculous notion that God needed a "maker" to know which household was Jewish, the Old Testament certainly doesn't even attempt to be fair and balanced. That's why slavery was "justified" using the Bible for so many centuries in the west: life isn't fair. By that logic we should still have slavery, 'cause life isn't fair! Too bad, so sad.

Nonsense. Man intuitively knows that murder is wrong. He knows it's wrong to steal or to lie.

You will have to show me where you get the notion that man intuitively knows that murder is "wrong," or that stealing and lying is also wrong. A natural man, in order to get what he wants, will kill, lie and steal and not feel any remorse of sense of guilt. He justifies his actions with his needs and priorities.

4,878 posted on 04/10/2008 8:42:30 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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