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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights
My vision of those times is that Jesus was the leader of a brotherhood of followers. I think they shared stories with each other, laughed together, cried together, and shared everything together...He LOVED them in a familial way

Jesus made it very clear to His disciples and to everyone else for that matter that He and they are not the same. He always taught them and commanded them.

They never referred to Him in any other way but "Teacher" or "Lord," never by His name. You don't form friendships with someone you are not on a first-name basis but someone you call "Lord."  When He spoke, they listened.

They could ask questions and His answers were either examples of good or evil or parables. They were His "groupies," His followers. They are referred to as His disciples (students, pupils), not His family. The only thing the Bible says about Christ's human family is that they thought He was not altogether right in His head.

4,813 posted on 04/06/2008 9:08:14 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights; ...
[On FK's assertion that Jesus had a familial relationship with His close followers:] They never referred to Him in any other way but "Teacher" or "Lord," never by His name. You don't form friendships with someone you are not on a first-name basis but someone you call "Lord." When He spoke, they listened.

They could ask questions and His answers were either examples of good or evil or parables. They were His "groupies," His followers. They are referred to as His disciples (students, pupils), not His family. The only thing the Bible says about Christ's human family is that they thought He was not altogether right in His head.

We can't have any idea how they addressed Him in every case. We aren't told. John refers to himself as "the one Jesus loved". Do you see that as pure arrogance? Or, could that be a clear signal as to their relationship? And Jesus said:

Matt 12:48-50 : 48 He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers ?" 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers . 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

Matt 28:10 : Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."

John 20:17 : Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

Why would Jesus speak like this? He could have just said "followers" or some such. This is pretty clear to me. He had real familial relationships with them. And how does Mariology fit into this? What would you say was the relationship between Jesus and Mary? How about between Mary and the Church or between you and Mary? Is it impersonal and non-familial?

4,921 posted on 04/14/2008 9:36:33 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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