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To: conservonator; Lord_Calvinus; Dr. Eckleburg
I'm working on my invectives just in case I decide I'm one of the elect and need to embrace reformed Calvinist theology.

Do you figure that the elect are just a group one simply decides to sign up for? Let's check the scriptures:

Isa 42:1 : 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. KJV

Isa 45:4 : 4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. KJV

Rom 8:29-30 : 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. KJV

In all of these passages, Who does it sound like the decider is? The elect are determined SOLEY by God alone:

John 1:12-13 : 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. KJV

Mark 13:20 : 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. KJV

So, if man is the decider, then there really is no concept of the elect at all, and the Bible is wrong.

481 posted on 01/29/2008 8:21:48 PM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper

Umm, FK, we need to talk.

The verses from Isaiah don’t mean what you present them to mean.

The verses from Romans do not specify that only the elect are going to Heaven. And neither do the verses from Mark and John.

FK, you have given it a yeoman’s effort. I’ll give you points on it if you wish. You have been very persistent in trying to make sense out of nonsense. You have given all that you can in stating what the Reformed position is versus the reality of Scripture. But that dog don’t hunt.

If you’d like, I could show you where the Reformed position has gone wrong (starting with Genesis). Give up, give in and come back to God, my friend. Your compatriots are leading you down the garden path.


484 posted on 01/29/2008 8:39:43 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Forest Keeper
So, if man is the decider, then there really is no concept of the elect at all, and the Bible is wrong.

AMEN!

493 posted on 01/29/2008 11:30:36 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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