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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[ Once they denied the Sacraments of the Church, they exocmmunicated themselves from the Church. ]

The very meaning of the word "church"(Eklesia) means those "called out of" sacrament. ceremony, tradition, and religious festival.. (John ch 10) and other places....

Even the word Sabbath is trumped by the Holy Spirit(paraclete)..
Jesus treated all seven days as the sabbath..

Example: Love the Lord your God, and treat your neighbor as yourself... 24/7..

4,750 posted on 04/02/2008 9:42:27 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

On the Sabbath:

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. – Mark 2:27-28

And on the Lord's Supper (emphasis mine:)

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup.

For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. - I Cor 11:28-30

"Penning" is a doctrine of men.

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. - Mark 7:7

But Jesus is the Good Shepherd and the Gate:

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. - John 10:3-5

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

4,751 posted on 04/02/2008 9:58:13 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Even the word Sabbath is trumped by the Holy Spirit(paraclete).. Jesus treated all seven days as the sabbath..

I sometimes wonder if you even know what day of the week it is.

4,758 posted on 04/03/2008 5:31:45 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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To: hosepipe
Pope Pipus:

Man! You gotta flesh some o' this stuff out.

(Hostile way to put it: If you want to draw fire, you have to stay out of cover long enough for us to think we might have a shot.)

(Friendly way to put it: Boy? Whatchoo talkin' 'bout?)

My personal theory about ecclesia is that, yeah, as you say, it parses out to "Called out". The root verb is Kaleo. I don't know what other verbs the LXX translators had available, but they must have been aware of the similarity between kaleo and qahal.

And, en passant, I have always taken pleasure in the name some of the brethren use for themselves, "The Assembly of God", since it is so close to Qahal Adonai (Where Adonai is a reverential periphrasis for, well, you know.)

But I was left adrift by the Sabbath and the "Summary of the Law" remarks. I'd appreciate it if you'd say a little more there.

Go ahead, draw my fire. I'm such a crappy marksman I'll probably miss anyway.

While I wait, I'll work on trying to firm up my thinking on the dialectic of inclusion and solitude, of "called out" and "called together", and see if I can say something coherent.

4,762 posted on 04/03/2008 8:02:12 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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