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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50
FK, you really do need to reread On the Incarnation. The whole point of the Incarnation was so mankind could relate in a meaningful manner to "Ο ΩΝ" and thus have the ability to fulfill its created purpose. What Kosta has stated is completely patristic. Now, if in fact you accept the "Ancient of Days" image of The Father as the white bearded old man as being fully factual, then I can see how you could be shocked or dismayed at Kosta's remark, but he is expressing nothing that The Church hasn't always believed.

I just don't see how God can go from being impersonal to personal (Incarnation), presumably back to impersonal today. If God is impersonal there can be no meaningful relationship. Since I know I HAVE a meaningful relationship, this cannot be. Spiritually, I think we humans have an innate need for a meaningful relationship with something real. I think the Bible reveals that this relationship is to be between God and the believer. Do you agree that there is such a need, and if so how is it fulfilled in Orthodoxy?

A Blessed Pascha to you, FK.

Thank you brother. I wish you both a most Blessed Pascha for yours upcoming. :)

4,683 posted on 04/01/2008 12:40:46 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
I just don't see how God can go from being impersonal to personal (Incarnation), presumably back to impersonal today. If God is impersonal there can be no meaningful relationship

What is "personal" to you? If you talk to your congressman and ask him to do something, is that a "personal" relationship? What is personal about the OT God? Does anyone hug him? Does anyone kiss him? Does anyone call him "Daddy?"

What Kolo is telling you is that the ineffable OWN is impersonal compared to the human Jesus. A human being is a lot more personal than a burning bush. That's why Christ reminds us that it is only through him that we can see the Father.

4,728 posted on 04/02/2008 6:00:25 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christainity)
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