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To: Forest Keeper; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; ...
No, God gives faith. The words of God (Bible) tell us what that faith is in: Rom 10:17 : Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

So, what did Abraham believe in? What message did he hear? What scripture did he read? What about the Canaanite woman?

Faith cannot be in nothingness. It has to be in the Gospel, the words of God

So, then Abraham and the Canaanite woman believed in "nothingness?" Or are you using the word "Gospel" in a personalized, let's be nice and use MadDawg's expresison, "imprecise" way as well?

4,629 posted on 03/30/2008 8:38:24 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; ...
So, what did Abraham believe in? What message did he hear? What scripture did he read?

God gave Abram faith, just as He gives all believers faith. I'm not sure we have the details of how it happened, but we do have this to show THAT it happened:

Gen 12:1, 4-5 : 1 The Lord had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you. ...... 4 So Abram left, as the Lord had told him; and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he set out from Haran. 5 He took his wife Sarai, his nephew Lot, all the possessions they had accumulated and the people they had acquired in Haran, and they set out for the land of Canaan, and they arrived there.

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FK: Faith cannot be in nothingness. It has to be in the Gospel, the words of God.

So, then Abraham and the Canaanite woman believed in "nothingness?" Or are you using the word "Gospel" in a personalized, let's be nice and use MadDawg's expresison, "imprecise" way as well?

What? Kosta, I said "the Gospel, the words of God". Abraham got his faith from the words of God, even if it wasn't in a form we would recognize as "the Gospel" today. He did not believe in nothing so that he would obey God's command. He believed in something he could express in words, such as "I know that God is real and exists and is the true God".

4,865 posted on 04/10/2008 3:12:48 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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