[annalex]

Well, I was being facetious, responding to a farcical situation offered by Irishtenor in 4,537.

I understand the stuff about either repenting or not being “saved” in the first place. I think all it is a superstitious fear of “works salvation” leading people to such convolutions, but I do understand the convolution quite well, in all its ineffable subtlety.

[wmfights]

Well, I was being facetious, responding to a farcical situation offered by Irishtenor in 4,537.

My apologies then.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

There's no "convolution" about God's promise of salvation to all those who have been named as His children from before the foundation of the world, who are redeemed by Christ on the cross, who are led by the Holy Spirit in all truth and love.

"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." -- Romans 8:31--39