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To: Mad Dawg; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Thats the spirit.. get into the metaphor don't fear it..
Didnt consider the spiritual health aspects of penning.. interesting..
The commercial aspects of it seem quite obvious to me..

The lord in the metaphor didn't talk about going in and coming out..
He was concerned about getting them out.. but being sheep they could wander back in, I suppose.. The lord Jesus never used the word heresy or even developed the meme of it.. Since theres no ONE pen the inhabitants of one pen would naturally see the inhabitants of another pen as heretics.. Since the walls of the metaphorical pen are dogma, ceremony and/or tradition and possibly intimidation.. Its easy to lose track of what we are talking about here..

Starving in the pen is a good point.. The wisdom would be get out of the pen were there is much food that don't smell of ammonia or shut up and eat the grain you are given.. The lord reacted strongly to the pen of the synagogue..

4,363 posted on 03/20/2008 5:57:30 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
regrettably en passant.

Thats the spirit.. get into the metaphor don't fear it..
Breathe, breathe, must remember to breathe ....

The lord in the metaphor didn't talk about going in and coming out..

Not sure if relevant but I was thinking John 10:7-9, especially. "...(7)I am the door of the sheep ... (9)I am the door; if any one enters by me he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. ..."

4,366 posted on 03/20/2008 10:48:49 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: hosepipe
regrettably en passant.

Thats the spirit.. get into the metaphor don't fear it..
Breathe, breathe, must remember to breathe ....

The lord in the metaphor didn't talk about going in and coming out..

Not sure if relevant but I was thinking John 10:7-9, especially. "...(7)I am the door of the sheep ... (9)I am the door; if any one enters by me he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. ..."

4,367 posted on 03/20/2008 10:49:29 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: hosepipe; Mad Dawg; 1000 silverlings; betty boop
Thank you all so very much for your delightful and insightful essay-posts!

This is truly a pregnant metaphor.

If I were to apply hosepipe's insights at 4353 to the situation at hand, the pen the sheep in the pasture might go back into could be a pen of his own imagining, for good or ill.

But Jesus Christ is the Gate and the Good Shepherd. So the sheep is actually free of the pen to pasture no matter what he thinks.

Sanctification is, after all, a walk.

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. - I John 1:5-10

To God be the glory!

4,388 posted on 03/20/2008 9:48:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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