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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50

***I think Kosta was saying or implying that Jesus was free to disobey the will of the Father, and I disagree with that.***

I keep seeing (or think that I keep seeing) statements from that would indicate that Jesus is somehow apart from God. Not out and out statements, but hints or references that could indicate that mindset. Jesus is God - the second person of the Trinity. I don’t think that such a question should even arise. God is not schizophrenic, nor does He have split personalities.

***The Son is a separate person from the Father and the Spirit, and they are all one in essence. Jesus has two natures, one fully human and one fully Divine.***

See what I mean?


3,999 posted on 03/14/2008 6:41:12 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights; ...
FK: ***I think Kosta was saying or implying that Jesus was free to disobey the will of the Father, and I disagree with that.***

I keep seeing (or think that I keep seeing) statements from that would indicate that Jesus is somehow apart from God.

I know. It is difficult, at least for me, to explain with laser precision. Jesus said that He and the Father are one. Good enough for me, they are not apart. Then later, Jesus cries out: "Matt 27:46 : About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"-which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me ?" How would you describe that EXACT moment, the moment when Jesus literally bore all of our sins?

FK: ***The Son is a separate person from the Father and the Spirit, and they are all one in essence. Jesus has two natures, one fully human and one fully Divine.***

See what I mean?

Yes. When I commented on Jesus having two natures, I was thinking of what Kosta has said many times, so I felt I was on solid ground there in terms of being challenged. Right now he and I are discussing whether it is important to distinguish between "persona" and "person".

4,319 posted on 03/19/2008 11:39:11 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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